Topic: Top 25 Liberal & Conservative Films (Read 7946 times)

Thad · « **Reply #20 on:** February 24, 2009, 07:58:09 PM »

Quote from: Romosome on February 24, 2009, 07:46:49 PM

Or they think orcs are arabs, I don't know.

...actually...

Quote from: Constantine on February 24, 2009, 07:52:24 PM

I'm personally wondering how they came to the conclusion that Ghostbusters has a political ideology.

Everything was going fine until the power grid was shut down by Dickless here.

Royal☭ · « **Reply #21 on:** February 24, 2009, 07:58:21 PM »

Makes sense, but you forgot to mention that everyone else thinks they're batshit insane.

Thad · « **Reply #22 on:** February 24, 2009, 08:00:22 PM »

This is the National Review we're talking about here. A movie about a small fringe group who everybody thinks is crazy but who is actually right and the only hope for saving the world has a pretty obvious appeal.

Royal☭ · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2009, 08:05:52 PM »

Well, yes, but that's why it's fiction.

Dooly · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:21:31 PM »

Quote from: Thad on February 24, 2009, 08:00:22 PM

This is the National Review we're talking about here. A movie about a small fringe group who everybody thinks is crazy but who is actually right and the only hope for saving the world has a pretty obvious appeal.

I'm betting they didn't analyze it that thoroughly and only put it on the list because of the weaselly EPA guy.

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:22:02 PM »

I'm pretty irked that The Incredibles is #2 on the conservotor list. Especially since the Ayn Randian objectivist principles are what causes Bob's depression at the beginning of the movie.

Misha · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:31:53 PM »

Quote from: Sex Manslaughter on February 24, 2009, 09:22:02 PM

I'm pretty irked that The Incredibles is #2 on the conservotor list. Especially since the Ayn Randian objectivist principles are what causes Bob's depression at the beginning of the movie.

Have you actually read any Ayn Rand or do you just like mocking her for no reason because that's what everyone else does?
Atlas Shrugged is (admittedly a badly written) diatribe exactly AGAINST the unwilling and pathetic sort of drudgery Bob Parr is forced into by people mistrustful of his strength and jealous of his abilities.

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:51:55 PM »

Except that wasn't the point. Bob's misery was due to his abject refusal to move on past his glory days and treasure what he had now. His misery made his family miserable which in turn made him even more miserable.

At the end of the movie, when he lets his whole family share in the limelight, by encouraging his son to not show up all the other kids at the track meet, he shows that he'd learned that the most important thing isn't to be the best or to be special to the point of alienating everyone around you, but to be special to the people who are special to you.

Brentai · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:15:04 PM »

I still fail to see what in the remotest fuck that has to do with objectivism.

Romosome · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:27:07 PM »

The Incredibles is on that list because more people are killed in that film than in 300.

Classic · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:10:08 AM »

But weren't only 300 people killed in 300?

Koah · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:16:58 AM »

...Groundhog Day?

Catloaf · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:20:52 AM »

The incredibles is on the list for the antagonist's line: "If everyone is special, then no one is." This is spoken from the mouth of someone who is obviously evil and wrong. So, he's a communist/socialist who wants to take away their money which will make the world a worse place.

Bal · « **Reply #33 on:** February 25, 2009, 04:26:02 AM »

Never mind that he himself is a super rich industrialist who lives in tax exile on his own island.

Arc · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:55:21 AM »

Quote from: O. Hakubi on February 25, 2009, 12:16:58 AM

...Groundhog Day?

Big City Folk are shown the superior values of Small Town Living, likely by the Hand of God.

See Also: Doc Hollywood, Cars.

Kazz · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:00:35 AM »

Quote from: Thad on February 24, 2009, 07:58:09 PM

Everything was going fine until the power grid was shut down by Dickless here.

And it should be specifically noted that the Dickless in question worked for the EPA.

Environmentalists are reckless idiots who will merrily destroy anything, no matter how important it is, in order to Save The Whatsit. Therefore, it is tremendously dangerous to give them any authority whatsoever.

That's why Ghostbusters is on the list. It might not seem political, since the movie appears to be about Bill Murray trying to get into Sigourney Weaver's demonic panties, but the subtext is there.

Every movie has a political subtext. I challenge anyone to find one that doesn't.

Arc · « **Reply #36 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:11:58 AM »

Quote from: Arc on April 3, 2007

Quote from: Kazz on March 19, 2007
My dad claims that there is no movie produced by Hollywood that doesn't have a political agenda.

Some are easier to spot after the fact.

Smokey and the Bandit - The opening salvo of the Libertarian movement.

Say Anything - Subtle marketing to sell Peter Gabriel records.

Beverly Hills Cop II - The most misogynistic film of that era.

E.T., The Extra Terrestrial - E.T. is a stand-in for Reagan; the Government workers are the Air Traffic controllers and other demonized Federal agents.

Glengarry Glen Ross - All business transactions between men are homoerotic tangos.

3 Men and a Baby - An attack on women in the workplace.

Raiders of the Lost Ark - Demonizing the Third World right in time for Reagan's Latin American policies.

Back to the Future - Freudian at its core; the desire to sleep with our mothers with a dash of nostalgia for the Eisenhower era.

The Goonies - A treatise on U.S. involvement in El Salvador.

Cocktail - The end of the Soviet Union. Two men (Reagan and Gorbachev) flirt, dance, cooperate, then break apart (consider Reagan's retreat in the boathouse at Reykjavik). Upon their reunion, Gorby is fat, over his head, and near the end. He commits suicide (the Wall comes down), and Reagan heads off in triumph, announcing a pregnancy - the new birth of freedom - to all the world.

Pacobird · « **Reply #37 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:25:58 AM »

Quote from: Catloaf on February 25, 2009, 12:20:52 AM

The incredibles is on the list for the antagonist's line: "If everyone is special, then no one is." This is spoken from the mouth of someone who is obviously evil and wrong. So, he's a communist/socialist who wants to take away their money which will make the world a worse place.

No, the incredibles is on that list because of Coach's speech about the dangers of rewarding mediocrity which (and I know hurf blurf i like pixar so they can't disagree with me D: but seriously) is something straight out of Ayn Rand.

Quote from: Thad on February 24, 2009, 07:34:28 PM

Quote from: Kazz on February 24, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
Like, you get the image that liberals just rent DVDs so they can masturbate to their own viewpoints.

Or conservatives just declare movies they like to be conservative, no matter how batshit fucking insane the claim may be.

Seriously, Lord of the Rings? It had fucking anthropomorphic trees laying siege to the evil industrialist who was cutting down their forest.

it romanticizes the battle to save old, dying traditions from the march of time. What are Rohan and Gondor if not ~~killing a fuckload of brown people~~standing astride history and yelling "stop"? As for the ents and saruman, that kind of reductionist pastoral glorification is TEXTBOOK conservative. You might as well have had Toby Keith smoking shit with the hobbits at the end.

Doom · « **Reply #38 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:19:58 PM »

This has fast become my favorite thread.

Mongrel · « **Reply #39 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:22:02 PM »

You know... one can bemoan excessive mediocrity without actually being a card-carrying Objectivist.

Calling The Incredibles Objectvist propaganda is like saying someone's Objectivist because they think Communmism is stupid.

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Of course, for me, the funniest thing about Objectivism has always been the fact that it even exists. A true pillar of individual genius has little need for snide group-think and -isms. Declaring oneself as a capital-O Objectivist is like admitting idiocy and failure all in one handy package.

Never mind the fact that most of the actual writing is Rand simply masturbating, with a gaggle of number of rubbernecks going along for the ride.

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