Topic: Top 25 Liberal & Conservative Films (Read 7934 times)

Romosome · « **Reply #40 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:52:24 PM »

Quote from: Classic Is On Bandwagon on February 25, 2009, 12:10:08 AM

But weren't only 300 people killed in 300?

should I actually bother responding to this y/n

Norondor · « **Reply #41 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:06:20 PM »

yes, by calling classic stupid

Detonator · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:51:40 PM »

Judging by the

icon, I think he was making a joke about how the Persians aren't considered humans.

Classic · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:14:59 PM »

Close... but something's missing...

Quote from: Detonator on February 25, 2009, 08:51:40 PM

Judging by the icon, I think he was making a stupid joke about how the Persians aren't considered humans.

Niku · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:20:21 PM »

Quote from: Detonator on February 25, 2009, 08:51:40 PM

Judging by the icon, I think he was making a joke about how the Persians aren't considered humans.

you give classic entirely too much credit. as classic just pointed out.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #45 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:23:15 AM »

Most superhero movies are hella objectivist. I mean you're supposed to let the guy in the funny suit do whatever he wants because he's superpowered or well trained or whatever and nobody is ever revealed to be embezzling funds or meeting underage girls on the side.

Fight Club is pretty liberal I think. Not the liberal kind that wants to compromise, but the pissed-off liberal that's tired of seeing the world go to hell and wants to do something, anything, now.

Burrito Al Pastor · « **Reply #46 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »

Quote from: Kazz on February 25, 2009, 08:00:35 AM

Every movie has a political subtext. I challenge anyone to find one that doesn't.

Amélie?

Dracula?

Kill Bill: Vol. 1?

Clerks?

Manos: The Hands of Fate?

Pi?

Also, I'm sure Django has all kinds of political subtext, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

EXTRA CREDIT: Space Mutiny?

Koah · « **Reply #47 on:** February 26, 2009, 01:08:15 AM »

Eraserhead?

Fortinbras · « **Reply #48 on:** February 26, 2009, 04:08:30 AM »

Quote from: Kazz on February 25, 2009, 08:00:35 AM

Every movie has a political subtext. I challenge anyone to find one that doesn't.

It might be better to say that any movie can be given any political subtext by a good enough imagination. In evidence: everything above and probably soon below this post.

Mongrel · « **Reply #49 on:** February 26, 2009, 04:10:37 AM »

If ~~law~~ history teaches us anything it's that you can read damn near anything into damn near anything if you twist enough.

Pacobird · « **Reply #50 on:** February 26, 2009, 06:01:33 AM »

Quote from: Zaratustra on February 26, 2009, 12:23:15 AM

Fight Club is pretty liberal I think. Not the liberal kind that wants to compromise, but the pissed-off liberal that's tired of seeing the world go to hell and wants to do something, anything, now.

Funny; I read it as Fascist apologism.

Pacobird · « **Reply #51 on:** February 26, 2009, 06:03:48 AM »

Quote from: Iron_Mongrel on February 25, 2009, 05:22:02 PM

You know... one can bemoan excessive mediocrity without actually being a card-carrying Objectivist.

Calling The Incredibles Objectvist propaganda is like saying someone's Objectivist because they think Communmism is stupid.

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Of course, for me, the funniest thing about Objectivism has always been the fact that it even exists. A true pillar of individual genius has little need for snide group-think and -isms. Declaring oneself as a capital-O Objectivist is like admitting idiocy and failure all in one handy package.

Never mind the fact that most of the actual writing is Rand simply masturbating, with a gaggle of number of rubbernecks going along for the ride.

Seriously. The superheroes have to live in hiding and fear because the norms are jealous and eventually start killing them. Did you even read the Cliff's Notes of Atlas Shrugged?

Bal · « **Reply #52 on:** February 26, 2009, 06:15:08 AM »

The norms don't kill them, Syndrome does, and if he's normal than I don't even know what. As for the norms driving them underground, yeah, but that seemed to be the result of "wait a minute we can sue these guys? I'm gonna get me some of that" snowballing into general anti-super outcry.

Pacobird · « **Reply #53 on:** February 26, 2009, 06:18:30 AM »

Cliff's Notes of Atlas Shrugged c/d

ps: just because the filmmakers did not intentionally include political subtext to be read as such does not mean it isn't there. In fact, I'd say the unintentional subtext is way more significant than the movies that have something important to say.

Bal · « **Reply #54 on:** February 26, 2009, 06:50:07 AM »

I wasn't really arguing against the point, just that your statement on that score wasn't accurate. In the case of Syndrome in particular, he seems more like a Randian hero than the Incredibles themselves. Of course, his goals are totally against that, but he is a product of his own industry.

Arc · « **Reply #55 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:34:00 AM »

Amélie - A self-confessed assault on intellectualism & realism.

Dracula - Communist screed against the dying caste system, and the inbreeding within.

Kill Bill: Vol. 1 - A love letter to Manifest Destiny.

Clerks - Woody Allen's nihilism, as filtered through Generation X.

Manos: The Hands of Fate - Dire warning of the impending threat to the nuclear family. Anyone that doesn't practice the acceptable standards is a social deviant, waiting to induct your children into their cult, not the other way around.

Pi - Kabbalah propaganda, veiled in mathematics as justification.

Django - Vigilantism heroically striking down corrupt bureaucracy.

Pacobird · « **Reply #56 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:39:38 AM »

Quote from: Arc on February 26, 2009, 09:34:00 AM

Django - Vigilantism heroically striking down corrupt bureaucracy.

Which is to say Fascism.

Arc · « **Reply #57 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:47:40 AM »

Facism requires an ounce of organization, and grander ambitions.

Pacobird · « **Reply #58 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:59:23 AM »

Quote from: Arc on February 26, 2009, 09:47:40 AM

Facism requires an ounce of organization, and grander ambitions.

Well, it requires that to meet its goals, in the real world. In fantasy Hollywood land, Tyler Durden and his rough-and-ready prolesquad can bring down the ~~jews~~credit card companies through sheer machismo.

Transportation · « **Reply #59 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:50:44 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Pacobird's Second Grade Class on February 26, 2009, 09:39:38 AM

Quote from: Arc on February 26, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
Django - Vigilantism heroically striking down corrupt bureaucracy.

Which is to say Fascism.

What? Communist revolutionaries fit that definition just fine.

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