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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #740 on: March 17, 2012, 05:47:56 PM »

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I want to point out that Chrono Trigger had more variable endings based on player choice and it came out nearly twenty god damn years ago.

I agree that ME3 would be greatly improved if there was an ending where you died during the final battle, and it showed the Reapers slowly exterminating all life in the galaxy, then it zoomed out to show the Milky Way with lots of tiny explosions, and then it sort of fades to monochrome greyscale, and then fades in

BUT THE FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE

Also after beating ME3 you can start over in ME1 on new game + and immediately take a portal to the illusive man, shoot him, and then the credits fly by while sped up music plays

A good bad ending would go as follows in my mind:

 Without enough assets/GR, the invading forces are slaughtered. The last one to go of course is The Normandy, which explodes around Shepard. *cut to credits*
  Scene then changes to some humanoid but vaguely defined figures surrounding a box on a table. One activates it and a hologram of Shepard appears and tells them about The Reapers.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #741 on: March 18, 2012, 12:38:30 PM »

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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #742 on: March 18, 2012, 03:25:05 PM »

My biggest problem with the ending was not the choices they gave you but the fact that there was no epic battle scene. Somehow assembling a gigantic army of krogans turian asari geth and quarians, with even some salarians and some motherfucking volus and elkor and hanar and shit leads to a squad of three accompanying 2 fucking tanks.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #743 on: March 18, 2012, 03:26:31 PM »

[spoiler]"I didn't want you to stand alone Shepard. That's why I became an Admrial. But I see you're not alone, you've got Liara now."[/spoiler]

I DIDN'T MAKE A SAVE TO FIX THIS.

[spoiler]FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKK[/spoiler]
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #744 on: March 18, 2012, 04:04:55 PM »

Ps: [spoiler]Bring EDI onto the Geth Dreadnought. She has a lot to say in response to.. Everything.[/spoiler]
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #745 on: March 18, 2012, 05:04:47 PM »

If you aren't bringing her everywhere you're doing it wrong.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #746 on: March 18, 2012, 11:55:31 PM »

Well, I feel I'm near beating the game but I feel I'm only half way through ME3. Maybe even the Mass Effect series really. Seeing as I'll have to beat it again with different choices, variables. I can see a lot of the variables but there's a lot of unknowns because of compound things going on. My War Readiness is goddamn perfection however. I've been building this shit for years and I am being rewarded properly.

Then again, I guess I could just read the wiki for hours. Days.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #747 on: March 19, 2012, 08:10:31 AM »

I just finished Mass Effect 3! After days of hearing how the ending is apparently the worst thing ever, It turns out that it actually isn't. It's not even really a bad ending, it's not on my Top 10 list, because it didn't make me cry like a little girl, but Hell, It was an enjoyable ending to a really enjoyable game. I really can't understand why it seems to be so universally hated!

9/10 would play again. Especially if I can keep my armour and guns for my next playthrough, but I bet it won't let me. >:(
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #748 on: March 19, 2012, 08:12:44 AM »

I wish NG+ would let me keep my Spaceships and fish as well as armor and guns.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #749 on: March 19, 2012, 11:11:53 AM »

I just finished Mass Effect 3! After days of hearing how the ending is apparently the worst thing ever, It turns out that it actually isn't. It's not even really a bad ending, it's not on my Top 10 list, because it didn't make me cry like a little girl, but Hell, It was an enjoyable ending to a really enjoyable game. I really can't understand why it seems to be so universally hated!

9/10 would play again. Especially if I can keep my armour and guns for my next playthrough, but I bet it won't let me. >:(

Because after 5 years of being told everything you does matter, your choices mean jack shit for the palette-swapped endings.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #750 on: March 19, 2012, 12:01:37 PM »

People got rightfully pissed off when Human Revolution did the same thing and it was a prequel that had to arrive at a particular world state. It's way worse in the ME series.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #751 on: March 19, 2012, 12:09:32 PM »

If you aren't bringing her everywhere you're doing it wrong.

Engineer Shepard + EDI + Tali was the most ridiculous combo in the game. You don't really need medigel when you have 6 drone/decoy/sentries sapping up hits for you, sabotage is retardedly overpowered in ME3, Energy Drain was improved to be better than overload and incinerate/cryo combo kills everything.

BTW: if anyone feels like starting a new character, Engineer is incredibly fun in ME1 and ME3. It was kind of a chore in 2, though
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #752 on: March 19, 2012, 12:12:43 PM »

People got rightfully pissed off when Human Revolution did the same thing and it was a prequel that had to arrive at a particular world state. It's way worse in the ME series.

HR's ending also made sense. The biggest nagging question it asked was, 'what happens when the ocean displaces all that water from the facility blowing up?' as opposed to ME, which asks the question of [spoiler]how long until these species turn to cannibalism to make up for not having any edible food within ten years worth of travel time?[/spoiler]
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #753 on: March 19, 2012, 12:20:52 PM »

I just finished Mass Effect 3! After days of hearing how the ending is apparently the worst thing ever, It turns out that it actually isn't. It's not even really a bad ending, it's not on my Top 10 list, because it didn't make me cry like a little girl, but Hell, It was an enjoyable ending to a really enjoyable game. I really can't understand why it seems to be so universally hated!

9/10 would play again. Especially if I can keep my armour and guns for my next playthrough, but I bet it won't let me. >:(

While it exists in the context of an argument that the entire ending sequence is [spoiler]a hallucination to mask the fact that Shepard is being indoctrinated[/spoiler], which I feel is giving the incompetent writers far too much credit, here is a very long and comprehensive article about why literally everything about the entire end sequence makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #754 on: March 19, 2012, 02:50:59 PM »

While it exists in the context of an argument that the entire ending sequence is [spoiler]a hallucination to mask the fact that Shepard is being indoctrinated[/spoiler], which I feel is giving the incompetent writers far too much credit,

Yes, that WOULD actually be an interesting "ending", but it would underscore the main problem with making True Endings via DLC: while this is a clever reading of the ending and if tricking players with a false flag ending to be resolved via a DLC ending with [spoiler]the fight to rescue Shepard[/spoiler], we'll never know, because fan apologists came up with this idea on their own and thus committing to this interpretation makes Bioware look beyond desperate.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #756 on: March 19, 2012, 08:05:14 PM »

Holy fuck. I need the looping .wmv of that loading screen: [spoiler]the ships flying by the mass relay that's just spinning before the crucible arrives.[/spoiler] I use Dreamscape so I imagine it would be great.
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #757 on: March 19, 2012, 08:37:14 PM »

Well. I can see why some would say it was awful and a part of me can agree but I feel what happened was.. adequate.

Edit: Okay, it's had time to soak in and here's my issue with it. It isn't the actual ending part of it. The choices I can.. swallow. But the actual path to getting there is the problem. [spoiler]From the part on of Shepard being hit by the beam onward it just gets weird. Between that and the ending is where my problem is. The actual choices felt fitting all things considered.[/spoiler]

here is a very long and comprehensive article about why literally everything about the entire end sequence makes absolutely no sense.

I got a few pages in before this started reading like a group of people in serious denial. I understand what they want. They want to believe that the way it ended wasn't true. And they're giving Bioware too much credit. I see this as possible, but not plausible.

In any case, here's what I think of your theories: [spoiler]Shepard never left the Geth Consensus. [/spoiler]
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #758 on: March 19, 2012, 10:17:36 PM »

I got a few pages in before this started reading like a group of people in serious denial. I understand what they want. They want to believe that the way it ended wasn't true. And they're giving Bioware too much credit. I see this as possible, but not plausible.

Well, yeah.  That was my take - while this theory that the entire ending is a prolonged metaphor for [spoiler]Indoctrination[/spoiler] is an interesting one, and definitely allows for much more storytelling room for post-ending DLC and whatnot, there's no way that's what they had in mind.  They're just not that competent.

That said, were I the lead writers at Bioware, I'd fucking run with this theory.  Be all "Oh, darn, you figured us out, well shucks we wanted that to be a surprise" and start working on post-ending DLC to [spoiler]Broken Steel the Destroy choice, since the others represent giving in to indoctrination[/spoiler].
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Re: Effects of Mass
« Reply #759 on: March 19, 2012, 10:45:12 PM »

A 'Save Shepard' DLC? Pick a team and head into the rubble. Low assets mean Shepard's corpse is recovered for a fuck-huge funeral, and high means a beach house, royalties, and little blue babies.
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