Topic: No Fat Chicks (Read 13652 times)

Lady Duke · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:40:51 PM »

Mmm, that is true. But the real issue is still that they're predominantly the butt of the jokes. Bastards again.

Brentai · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:42:52 PM »

Bridget Jones.

Not only is she chubby, but also somewhat clueless and, worst of all, English. But she goes through rich handsome guys like most women go through scented tissue paper.

JDigital · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:51:17 PM »

But fatties are less desirable, generally speaking. More people will find a skinny girl attractive than a tubby one. Sure you'll find attractive heavy women, guys who like fatties, and guys who like a heavy woman in spite of her bulk, but as a general rule skinny is more pretty than fat.

Not those stick-figure supermodels, though. If I wanted girls that were all bones I'd open the Monster Manual.

Kazz · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:02:47 PM »

I LIKE EM THICK

HUR HUR

(hi von <3 u)

Mongrel · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:06:32 PM »

There is a heathy range. People who are outside of that range tend to look uglier. The more extreme, the less attractive.

Imagine that. Our procreative drive is tied to a primitive and instinct-based estimation of a propective partner's health.

CRAZY TALK.

Classic · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:59:38 PM »

What about the various bone and flesh altering schemes we use to decorate ourselves? Where does that fit in, Mr. Iron Sage?

Though I wouldn't disagree with the statement on its own, it's hard to say whether or not the preference for "healthy range" women is as biological as we think.
There are lots of social expectations that fit into this. Human beings seem to complicate everything they do, and the process of picking who to shack up with isn't any different.

That's really a big part of the point of what LD is doing in that course whose tidbits are populating the sex kills thread. There's so much mind-fucking involved in the whole fucking rigmarole that the effects and by-products of all of that fucking shit spill everywhere.

It's not just pheromones, liquor, and jawbones; making matters worse is that everything else that comes with the package of being a ridiculously social animal affects fucking and vice-versa. Fucking is status, and status is fucking, and anybody who's not fucking is assumed to have something wrong with them as the reason for why they're not fucking.

...But that last bit is from a Cracked article. Don't take it too seriously.

For better or for worse, it seems like sexing plays pretty strongly into human self-esteem. So does observing yourself as a member of a ridiculed subgroup and numerous other things.

Of course since I've been waving my dick around pointing out skepticism, I'm obligated to ask why LD accepts those conclusions? What else does the study say that really solidifies the paper's statements about this unsettling tendency in script writing? Why is this a contributor to the problem of eating disorders? Instead of being one of its many symptoms and nothing more?

EDIT:
Because I have a super-stiffy for anyone named Randy apparently:

Brentai · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:20:36 PM »

The part that people always skip over is that there are some human beings out there who are supposed to be thicker. They do honestly look better that way. The "oh God lose some fucking weight" reaction is generally leveled at ecto and mesomorphs who are clearly endangering themselves. Most fat jokes are aimed at those people too, but mass media never bothers to make the distinction between the morbidly obese and the simply "big". Probably because there's a disgusting amount of money to be made in convincing people that the norm is an arbitrary state that physically cannot be reached with any sort of sensible method.

Thad · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:10:26 PM »

Quote from: Iron_Mongrel on March 31, 2009, 07:06:32 PM

There is a heathy range. People who are outside of that range tend to look uglier. The more extreme, the less attractive.

Imagine that. Our procreative drive is tied to a primitive and instinct-based estimation of a propective partner's health.

CRAZY TALK.

The problem with this thinking is, how many of the "fat" women on TV are legitimately overweight? Not that goddamn many. TV fat is an entirely different thing from actually fat.

Quote from: JDigital on March 31, 2009, 06:51:17 PM

Not those stick-figure supermodels, though. If I wanted girls that were all bones I'd open the Monster Manual.

The problem is that the popular media completely skew the spectrum so that their audiences are conditioned to believe that healthy is fat and anorexic is healthy.

And if you really don't think popular media portrayals contribute to unrealistic standards of beauty, I invite you to read any post Spram has ever written.

Brentai · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:31:09 PM »

I think Spram's about as serious about his opinions on women as I am.

Kayin · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2009, 01:48:55 AM »

I love me some fat chicks

Mongrel · « **Reply #30 on:** April 01, 2009, 03:44:42 AM »

Quote from: Thad on March 31, 2009, 09:10:26 PM

Quote from: Iron_Mongrel on March 31, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
There is a heathy range. People who are outside of that range tend to look uglier. The more extreme, the less attractive.

Imagine that. Our procreative drive is tied to a primitive and instinct-based estimation of a propective partner's health.

CRAZY TALK.

The problem with this thinking is, how many of the "fat" women on TV are legitimately overweight? Not that goddamn many. TV fat is an entirely different thing from actually fat.

Quote from: JDigital on March 31, 2009, 06:51:17 PM
Not those stick-figure supermodels, though. If I wanted girls that were all bones I'd open the Monster Manual.

The problem is that the popular media completely skew the spectrum so that their audiences are conditioned to believe that healthy is fat and anorexic is healthy.

And if you really don't think popular media portrayals contribute to unrealistic standards of beauty, I invite you to read any post Spram has ever written.

This is completely correct.

I was just pissed at the implication that was floating around that we should be accepting of an unhealthy body state for the sake of people's self-esteem. However do NOT take take this to mean that I think we should go around "blaming fat people".

When I talk about a healthy range, I mean the one that exists (existed?) for the 99% of our species' lifetime during which we were NOT constantly bombarded by disastrously skewed images.

I've always had some interesting questions about that though:

- Where did this modern media image of the perfect physical body come from? It's sort of close to historical ideals, but not really. It's this bizarre, skewed thing.
- In this chicken-and-egg-scenario, what came first? A skewed view that was merely latent among a significant minority (or even majority), or a media barrage that made the views of an extreme minority into a majority viewpoint?
- Nonsense about violent video games aside, what does body image say about mass media's ability to actually effect social engineering?
- Where did all the folks who liked 'thick' girls go? Other than booty jokes and bad hip-hop tunes, you don't hear much about this. Is the desire for 'big boobs' the last twisted vestigial remnant of classical male preferences?

Bal · « **Reply #31 on:** April 01, 2009, 03:46:19 AM »

I'll readily admit that there's a limit to how chubby a girl can be before I'm not attracted to her anymore, but below that limit it's mostly even to me. Good proportions is more important than the size of the proportions.

Crouton · « **Reply #32 on:** April 01, 2009, 05:29:59 AM »

Because women always go for the fat dude with the personality.

Büge · « **Reply #33 on:** April 01, 2009, 05:44:03 AM »

Quote from: Iron_Mongrel on April 01, 2009, 03:44:42 AM

- Where did all the folks who liked 'thick' girls go?

Right here.

Also I don't think Roger's weighed in yet, but I think he'd agree.

Mongrel · « **Reply #34 on:** April 01, 2009, 10:58:49 AM »

Quote from: Crouton on April 01, 2009, 05:29:59 AM

Because women always go for the fat dude with the personality.

Ah, but from a purely physical point of view, there's been less of a schizm between historical female desires and current media-pimped ones.

_{I have no idea where foppish Metrosexuals fit, but Beau Brummell might have a thing or two to say about the matter.}

Lady Duke · « **Reply #35 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:35:05 AM »

I think the study perpetuates the ideals of being thin. It certainly wasn't what started it but it definitely doesn't help and still makes people, especially girls, feel that they should weigh less. It makes sense that programs like that would increase rates of eating disorders.

And I'm not about to look this study up because as far as I'm concerned it's common knowledge, but they introduced american tv to a culture where the ideal was big and beautiful (fuck me, I just can't think of where right now). Fat women were loved. The guys loved a lady with meat on her bones and she felt good about herself. Then they started showing american programming, and surprise surprise, this culture where eating disorders were barely existent flourished into a culture full of eating disorders and unrealistic ideals about being thin. You can't tell me that shows like that aren't also helping to cause these problems.

Edit: the place was Fiji. I remembered in the bathtub...and by remembered I mean it mentioned the same thing in my sex psych book.

Fredward · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:45:52 AM »

Thread subtitle should be "NO FAT CHICKS"

Bongo Bill · « **Reply #37 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:47:11 AM »

Insecure people will find anything to be neurotic about, I suppose.

Büge · « **Reply #38 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:02:03 PM »

And getting bombarded with opinions and images from mass media only affects insecure people!

Bongo Bill · « **Reply #39 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:11:46 PM »

I never said that.

Edit: NEVERMIND, NOT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

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