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[Brentai]

The only reason it hasn't already is because China has been supporting them.  If China stops doing that, game over.

The problem is that in this scenario NK will probably freak out and bomb everything in range trying to get somebody, anybody, to come in and attempt pacification.  China's less of an ally to North Korea and more the hand keeping pressure on the handle until a bomb squad arrives.

[McDohl]

My post is largely humorous, but it does hint at a major problem.  In the video that Buge linked, they say that NK has a population that has been deluded in to believing the hype and propaganda about the Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung.  To force-feed them all red pills now would be dangerous as they discover that the world does not, in fact, revolve around The Great Leader.


EDIT: Thad, you're a preemptive genius.


Microsoft Matrix Spoof

[Büge]

My post is largely humorous, but it does hint at a major problem.  In the video that Buge linked, they say that NK has a population that has been deluded in to believing the hype and propaganda about the Great Leader Comrade Kim Il Sung.  To force-feed them all red pills now would be dangerous as they discover that the world does not, in fact, revolve around The Great Leader.

Looking at that video made me realize that North Korea is probably the closest example to Nineteen-Eighty-Four we can get. We don't know if the people in that video actually believe the stuff they are saying or doing, but they appear to.

China's less of an ally to North Korea and more the hand keeping pressure on the handle until a bomb squad arrives.

Lethal Weapon (Toilet Bomb)

[McDohl]

Dear Leader is dead.

Long live Dear Leader.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[A²]

Kim Jong-Il

Crazy megalomanical psychopaths everywhere have lost their idol.

[Büge]

Now what happens?

[Mongrel]

Will I sound like Catloaf if I say I wish it had happened in a drainpipe?

EDIT: Wow, Vaclev Havel and Kim Jong Il on the same day. It's like some kind of freaky karmic polar inversion.

[A²]

Not really, Kim Jogging was a complete unequivocal monster who deserves the slew of disrespect and jokes that are flooding the tubes right now.

[Mongrel]

One of the more painful lessons history teaches is that sometimes the only thing you can do is wait around for somebody to die.

Stalin died in bed too, I suppose.

[Büge]

But what now? Is his successor as pants-crapping insane as he was?

[Mongrel]

His successor is among the more feckless and spineless of his sons and is rumoured to be a wastrel. He was kind of dragooned into the job after the older sons were deemed to be "Unsuitable" for various reasons.

At this point, we can hope for two things. Either his son will be crazy enough to actually force action (which is almost certain to turn out badly for everyone), or maybe he'll be a figurehead and the military will turn the country into a more conventional Junta (which would actually be an improvement from the lunatic land of Oz they've got now).

[Mongrel]

The thing to remember is that he wasn't half so insane as is claimed - nor will his son be. They know what regular western living is like and are the worst kind of hedonists.

The thing is, they use the world's most lunatic repressive regime to maintain a luxurious lifestyle at the expense of millions of people, who are cowed through regular old force and coercion, but also through that loony ideology.

In it's own perverse way, it's very smart. Dictators are either toppled by prosperous neighbours (for reasons noble or ignoble), or by internal revolution. The thing about revolution is that there has to be some tiny breathing room to start. A spark of hope or a tiny space people can hide in (be it a metaphorical space to hide ideas, thoughts, or communications, or a real space to hide materiel, information, or people). The Kims know how to play their neighbours like a fiddle and have always oppressed so hard that literally nothing is possible in that wasteland of a state.

When you said earlier that that state is the closest anyone has ever come to a living incarnation of 1984, you basically had it perfect. And in that book, nuclear bombs falling is actually a note of hope.

[Brentai]

Personally I give it about a month before China boots him off the chair and finally annexes the country.

They won't change any of how the place is run though.

[Cthulhu-chan]

we get to find out how crazy the glorious leader's grandson is?

[McDohl]

Dude started his military career as a 4-star general.

Probably been drinking as much Kool-aid as anyone else in that country.

[Zaratustra]

"North Korea censors -their- internet and I don't hear them complaining!"

[Bal]

Most Koreans don't have electricity and think that Kim Il Sung was of divine origin.

[Royal☭]

Ha ha as if China gives a shit.


Also he's looking at the angels now

[Mongrel]

Dude started his military career as a 4-star general.

Probably been drinking as much Kool-aid as anyone else in that country.

Rather than copy-pasting my stuff from the obit thread by way of reply, I'm just going to wait for Thad to move those posts here.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the single greatest sign the Kims were never drinking Kool-Aid is the fact that they conveniently never seem to get around to finishing that war (or starting others). If they were actually huffing their own fumes, they woulda gone nuts years ago.

[Shinra]

I've seen a lot of discussion about this today. The consensus right now is that if Kim Jong Un is not the incredible monster that his father is, he's probably going to get overthrown in a coup, with the most likely antagonist being his sister and her high ranking husband. If he is the same  incredible monster, expect him to kill his generals and shell south korea to make a point.

Expectations that things are going to change for the better in SK are pretty naive, though. The population does not want change (they have been brainwashed extremely effectively) and the government does not seem to be growing a conscience anytime soon.