Topic: Middle School Theology (Read 28174 times)

JDigital · « **on:** June 01, 2009, 08:44:48 AM »

There are additional layers of irony here. A man murders an abortionist for violating his Christian beliefs on murder, but those beliefs include that murder is wrong, and that murderers will be punished by God in the next life.

Kashan · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:56:16 AM »

Quote from: JDigital on June 01, 2009, 08:44:48 AM

There are additional layers of irony here. A man murders an abortionist for violating his Christian beliefs on murder, but those beliefs include that murder is wrong, and that murderers will be punished by God in the next life.

If you're willing to ignore key portions of the new testament gospels than you can justify a lot.

Mongrel · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2009, 09:59:43 AM »

I call dibs on Jihad.

Transportation · « **Reply #3 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:15:23 AM »

Quote from: JDigital on June 01, 2009, 08:44:48 AM

There are additional layers of irony here. A man murders an abortionist for violating his Christian beliefs on murder, but those beliefs include that murder is wrong, and that murderers will be punished by God in the next life.

This depends on which parts of the Old Testament you are willing to ignore. Any law can, and has if I remember my stories, has been overridden if God tells you to. And no, Jesus doesn't help with his whole "new covenant" bit since he later says he has come to fulfill the laws and not replace them (paraphrase). Also the parts about dividing families and condemning cities to hellfire for not believing in him.

From a logically consistent pro-life standpoint, this is just vigilante justice against a serial killer. Therefore this is a just act and he will be rewarded. It's not like killing in churches is unprecedented, biblically speaking.

Rico · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:21:01 AM »

I'm not usually one to use this meme, but...

[Citation Needed]

Just one Bible verse where God specifically says, "Ignore this, one of the 10 commandments."

Transportation · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:27:28 AM »

..Abraham?

You don't remember him commanding Israel on wars of conquest?

Edit: KJV because it sounds cooler.

Exodus
32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

Edit2:
1 Samuel
15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Or the Ten Commandments don't apply to foreigners.

Or 'shit I googled in five seconds'.

François · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:41:41 AM »

In Deuteronomy, there are mentions of cities of refuge, where a man who has accidentally killed another may escape and be protected from the victim's family. That said, the same chapter mentions that if a man who has intentionally murdered another escapes to one of these cities, he is to be delivered to the avengers and slain.

Quote from: Deuteronomy 19:11-12

But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:

Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.

So there's precedent for killing a murderer out of vengeance. It's not difficult to imagine one using such a passage to justify killing an abortionist.

Ted Belmont · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:55:36 AM »

More like doodieronomy am i rite

Mongrel · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2009, 10:57:05 AM »

OH BOY, A SCRIPTURE DEBATE!

Catloaf · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:39:53 AM »

Quote from: Department of Transportation on June 01, 2009, 10:27:28 AM

Or the Ten Commandments don't apply to foreigners.

Ding! We have a winner!!!

At that time, they indeed did not! As this was a time when all were xenophobic and racist, and those who weren't were dead or about to be.

Most of history boils down to gang wars. Especially religious history. And we all know that gang mentality is that only those in the gang are human, the rest are filthy swine.

And that is why large portions of the bible do not apply in any way shape or form, even if they may appear to, to modern day society. YOU HEAR THAT ANIT-GAY MARRIAGE BITCHES!?!

François · « **Reply #10 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:46:18 AM »

Quote from: Iron Mongrel on June 01, 2009, 10:57:05 AM

OH BOY, A SCRIPTURE DEBATE!

wait what

Transportation · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:48:16 AM »

Quote from: Catloaf on June 01, 2009, 11:39:53 AM

And that is why large portions of the bible do not apply in any way shape or form, even if they may appear to, to modern day society. YOU HEAR THAT ANIT-GAY MARRIAGE BITCHES!?!

What parts don't apply, exactly? The ones you don't like?

Mothra · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:55:37 AM »

Yeah, strongly religious folk would argue that it's the modern world that doesn't apply to the Bible. The world is adrift in a black void of hedonistic sin and all that.

Mongrel · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:56:44 AM »

Quote from: Kabbage on June 01, 2009, 11:55:37 AM

The world is adrift in a black void of hedonistic sin and all that.

Pfft, you don't need the bible to tell you that.

Doom · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:57:37 AM »

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And that is why large portions of the bible do not apply in any way shape or form, even if they may appear to, to modern day society. YOU HEAR THAT ANIT-GAY MARRIAGE BITCHES!?!

I for one am looking forward to the argument that we could solve most problems in modern society by making murder legal.

Catloaf · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:03:43 PM »

Quote from: Department of Transportation on June 01, 2009, 11:48:16 AM

Quote from: Catloaf on June 01, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
And that is why large portions of the bible do not apply in any way shape or form, even if they may appear to, to modern day society. YOU HEAR THAT ANIT-GAY MARRIAGE BITCHES!?!

What parts don't apply, exactly? The ones you don't like?

No, I'm not saying the entirety of the new testament is void.

But most points of law aren't as applicable or have extremely different implications than those that would fit with modern culture.

The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:13:03 PM »

Quote from: Department of Transportation on June 01, 2009, 11:48:16 AM

What parts don't apply, exactly? The ones you don't like?

: Perhaps the same could be said of all nutbags and extremists...

Transportation · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:14:57 PM »

Catloaf:

Well I was referring to the entire Bible.

But you're missing the point. Why do these laws not apply to modern culture anymore? If we killed people for funsies, would that law stop applying because it's inconvenient to enforce?

Your position position seems to be modern culture defines what its morality is; making the Bible entirely superfluous. Why even bother with it?

Royal☭ · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:16:25 PM »

Quote from: Doom on June 01, 2009, 11:57:37 AM

I for one am looking forward to the argument that we could solve most problems in modern society by making murder legal.

Not legal, really. Just punishable by a fine of at least $10 million. That way it's limited only to our intellectual and social superiors, who will use it only in just cases.

Mongrel · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2009, 12:18:58 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcVwDw4YLE

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