Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Catloaf]

Your position position seems to be modern culture defines what its morality is; making the Bible entirely superfluous. Why even bother with it?

My position is that if a core value of society is strong enough, like say, the equality of men and women and all peoples, slavery is wrong, etc.  It should override a value from the foundations of said society.  Like the Jews being inherently biologically, morally, and in all other ways superior to the goyim, who should be slain given the opportunity.

The bible does contain the history and value set that our society was founded upon, or at least the values that societies we based ours on were founded upon.  So it isn't entirely without merit.

[Doom]

It is not often you see such a thorough, play-by-play argument from the Middle Schooler's Guide To Theology. I am truly impressed. This is a Grade-A Day for the sport.

[SCD]

I for one am looking forward to the argument that we could solve most problems in modern society by making murder legal.

Take the "problem" of modern society, for example..

[Misha]

And that is why large portions of the bible do not apply in any way shape or form, even if they may appear to, to modern day society.  YOU HEAR THAT ANIT-GAY MARRIAGE BITCHES!?!

What parts don't apply, exactly? The ones you don't like?

Examples include but are not limited to:the stoning of disobedient children, the stoning of those who do not take part in the sabbath, women being forbidden from wearing the clothing of men, a man's right to sell non-jews into slavery, and thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

[Transportation]

My position is that if a core value of society is strong enough, like say, the equality of men and women and all peoples, slavery is wrong, etc.  It should override a value from the foundations of said society.  Like the Jews being inherently biologically, morally, and in all other ways superior to the goyim, who should be slain given the opportunity.

By judging that a Biblical moral is 'correct' you are admitting that society's core values already possess this moral law in the first place and thus making the Bible useless. Worse than useless, in fact, as any reading of it has to go through a massive filter so you don't decide stoning rude teenagers is a moral imperative.

Superman comics reflect the history and value set that our society was founded upon, or at least the values that societies we based ours on were founded upon.  So it isn't entirely without merit.

It's a book. I have read kid's novels that give superior morals without all those messy trappings of genocide or unfalsifiable deities. It's a pointless, vestigial, cultural artifact that serves no purpose and exists only because of tradition. I would also say it's dangerous, but that's not the topic at hand.

It is not often you see such a thorough, play-by-play argument from the Middle Schooler's Guide To Theology. I am truly impressed. This is a Grade-A Day for the sport.

Who is this referring to, exactly?

[Mongrel]

no u

[Doom]

Who is this referring to, exactly?

Catloaf.

[A²]

[Catloaf]

Odd, I never read any such books in middle school.

Also, I can't tell what Department o' Transportation's stance on all this is.  Does he have a point or is he just arguing with me for sport?

[Rico]

I... I wouldn't think I'd need to say this, but...

Dude.  Killing in a war isn't murder. 

[Mongrel]

Dude.  Killing in a war isn't murder. 

OR IS IT?! 

[Transportation]

Odd, I never read any such books in middle school.

Oh now you're just lying. You've read morality fables like, oh, Peter Rabbit or that one about tortoise or ANY OF THOSE? I mean Batman is a better person than...90% of Biblical characters.

Also, I can't tell what Department o' Transportation's stance on all this is.  Does he have a point or is he just arguing with me for sport?

Apparently you can't read. Here's a summary:

Catloaf position: The Bible has a place in society
Trans position: No it doesn't.

And then I showed I was correct by pointing out how useless the Bible is? How is my post confusing? I can't explain things if you sit there in a stupor, you know.

I... I wouldn't think I'd need to say this, but...

Dude.  Killing in a war isn't murder. 

You did read the part about the women and children right? The non-combatants deliberately targeted? With swords (presumably)?

READ HARDER

POST SMARTER

[The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji]

WARNING - ANOTHER USER POSTEDED ETC. ETC.

...

Dude.  Killing in a war isn't murder. 

OR IS IT?! 

I've been thinking about that lately. If murder can be defined as premeditated and malicious, war would seem to fit the bill. It'd be pretty hard to deny any forethought when you build an aircraft carrier, let alone all the effort put into troop training, strategy and tactics, and weaponry at every scale. I'm also hesitant to believe there's no malice in a soldier who's merely "following orders" when you can hardly go through a war without words like "commie," "kraut," "hadji," "Jap," "infidel," "towel-head," "Bugs," or what have you.

But then again, this is the biblical definition of murder, so I could be am probably way off to begin with.

[Catloaf]

Apparently you can't read

Sometimes it's hard to tell what a person actually means and what is just rhetoric.

And the books I haven't read in middle school referred to Doom's post on "Middle Schooler's guide to Theology."

It seems we each read implications in a different way.

Anyway, I do agree with you for the most part.

[Transportation]

Oh, okay then. My bad.

Condemning rhetoric makes things more fun to type.

[SCD]

Dude.  Killing in a war isn't murder. 

OR IS IT?! 

Yup.  The only difference is that instead of getting in shit, you're already in a world of it.

[Rico]

You did read the part about the women and children right? The non-combatants deliberately targeted? With swords (presumably)?

READ HARDER

POST SMARTER

I'll assume you went back to the original Hebrew and found the word רצח in those passages, which is the specific type of killing outlawed in the commandments.

What?  It wasn't in there?

 

Re: Yoji: "If murder can be defined as premeditated and malicious," is all well and good, but that is a pretty big if.  Under current American law, two large things immediately spring up: Not only is war governed by a "separate" set of laws, but our current system allows for murder charges where premeditation and deliberation are not requirements.

[Mongrel]

Join us next week for another hot topic: Veganism! Vegemite!

[Thad]

...I just want to know what the hell DOT has against Batman and Superman.

[Mongrel]

Blatant Anti-Americanism if you ask me.