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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1880 on: December 12, 2009, 12:12:22 PM »

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

Hey, man. That's not cool.

I would never use the N-word.

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r quite seem to understand that there can be female characters who are competent and - dare I say - attractive without having to resort to having them bind enemies up in with whips and force t

Sorry if I'm playing the strawman, but this sort of sentiment has always struck me as being even more sleazy and gross than any number of chicks in thongs could ever hope to be.

I mean, no shit, dude. Even the makers of Queen's Blade realize that much, as there are a few characters in it who are actually modest and fully dressed. Shouldn't the question be 'why do female characters have to be attractive at all'?

Whenever I read some guy whining about hyper-sexualization, he always carefully adds that women don't need to have spilling cleavage and exposed butts in order to be attractive, which I imagine is supposed to make him sound all feminist, but really what it sounds like he's saying is "I still see women as wank objects, but I find those slutty, half-dressed ones disgusting", with a side of "Look how feminist I am, ladies".

I could be wrong, but that's basically what I'm reading off of you. You're not angry at Bayonetta and Queen's Blade for being exploitive and sleazy, you're angry at it for not catering to your tastes.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1881 on: December 12, 2009, 01:54:41 PM »

Whenever I read some guy whining about hyper-sexualization, he always carefully adds that women don't need to have spilling cleavage and exposed butts in order to be attractive, which I imagine is supposed to make him sound all feminist, but really what it sounds like he's saying is "I still see women as wank objects, but I find those slutty, half-dressed ones disgusting"

I agree with both you and the hypothetical guy here.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1882 on: December 12, 2009, 02:04:22 PM »

This is one of the more common arguments about Power Girl.
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« Reply #1883 on: December 12, 2009, 02:18:04 PM »

Well, I'd be lying if I said I didn't prefer characters - male or female - attractive, all else being equal. If you're dealing with fiction where characters achieve heroic deeds that set them far apart from normal folks, why not complement that extraordinary behavior with an extraordinary appearance, as well? Good looks are the default for heroes: you shouldn't diverge from it without a reason.

That said, "just to be different" is certainly a good enough reason, as are the old chestnuts of realism, marketing, wanting to tell a different kind of story, drawing inspiration from a different kind of cliché, and a whole host of other reasons that are, in practice, far more likely to be applied to the appearance of male characters than female ones, not merely in games, but going back the entire length of the human literary tradition. Beauty is the generic positive female trait, in a way that convinces me there must be a corresponding generic positive male trait that I can't think of off-hand. Competence? Whatever it is, it's something that's only omitted for laughs or for otherwise subverting expectations about the story.
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« Reply #1884 on: December 12, 2009, 02:35:38 PM »

The classic manly trait is manliness, or courage/spirit/guts/blind determination. Not just as literally the basis for an entire genre of manga but basically nestled into the bosom of most Western ideals as well, especially since it goes hand in hand with the Good Endings that we are also in love with.

What's more classic than "the hero struggles against odds, prevails, and wins the girl/his freedom/his family/the world?"

To say nothing of the vast history of mankind portraying men as leading figures who are responsible for the well-being of their family if for nothing more valid than the courage to take a cougar on with a pointy stick.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1885 on: December 12, 2009, 03:05:31 PM »

Right, fapping to Bayonetta seems like an insurmountable task, but fanart can make anything hot. If it's really going to destroy my ability to hold an argument though, I'll change it to Lucia from Psychic World or something.

Yeah I usually just aim below the belt as a matter of course.  Sorry 'bout that.

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The reason I want to play Bayonetta is because I like Devil May Cry. The end.

As well anyone should, as previously stated!

...and in retrospect I probably should have gone with some different turn of phrasing but didn't (as is my wont).  Something like "interesting" or "serving some other purpose besides a tit delivery system."

...and didn't Sharkey already cover this at some point?
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1886 on: December 12, 2009, 07:54:58 PM »

I think sharkey may have said something along those lines when he was busy bating in dry-erase markers for money.

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Ordinarily I'd be helpful and put up a link but goddamn am I finding it hard even to type.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1887 on: December 12, 2009, 10:14:19 PM »

So I stopped reading this at some point. Are we having the video game girls have boobs that are too big discussion again?
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1888 on: December 12, 2009, 11:10:27 PM »

Guys why are you talking about sexism in video games when you could be complaining about the new Rock Band: Green Day that's coming out.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1889 on: December 12, 2009, 11:17:32 PM »



Personally, I don't see anything exploitive about Queen's Blade.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1890 on: December 12, 2009, 11:25:16 PM »

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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1891 on: December 13, 2009, 10:15:54 AM »

Who the hell drew that picture, Rob Liefeld?  :wat:
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1892 on: December 13, 2009, 11:36:12 AM »

your mother
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1893 on: December 13, 2009, 12:14:54 PM »

You'll find "your mother" insults are hilariously ineffective against me, because even I think my mother is a stupid bitch.

Alex can vouch for this.
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« Reply #1894 on: December 13, 2009, 12:18:44 PM »

You'll find "your mother" insults are hilariously ineffective against me, because even I think my mother is a stupid bitch.

Alex can vouch for this.
I think it's hilarious that you think "your mother" insults are designed to be effective.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1895 on: December 13, 2009, 12:34:14 PM »

Touche.

Not that I took the comment seriously or anything.  But it demanded a response!  :mahboi:
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1896 on: December 13, 2009, 12:40:44 PM »

YOUR MOTHER demanded a response!   :mahboi:
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1897 on: December 13, 2009, 12:56:48 PM »

Who the hell drew that picture, Rob Liefeld?  :wat:

The art studio behind that anime. It's official character art.
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1898 on: December 13, 2009, 02:25:53 PM »

Wow, that's ...utterly horrible. :goggles:
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Re: Game News Dump
« Reply #1899 on: December 13, 2009, 09:17:30 PM »

yeah a woman with muscles I mean come on

Dudes who whine about video game ladies with huge cans are usually just pissed that Japan has the audacity to design a character that doesn't look like a twelve-year-old girl.
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