Topic: Sure Is tri-Ace In Here (Read 5706 times)

Defenestration · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM »

You know, Til the End of Time was the first Star Ocean game I ever played. It will also be the last.

That battle theme is totally bitching though.

Alex · « **Reply #61 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:36:58 PM »

I would at least try SO2 or 4 before hating the series forever since you had the misfortune of playing the worst game in the series first.

Brentai · « **Reply #62 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:38:10 PM »

I've never deleted a game as fast as I deleted SO1, so if SO3 is actually worse it must be some sort of scientific wonder.

Alex · « **Reply #63 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:40:49 PM »

You would be amazed at the terrible things science can do, Brentai!

I just can't find the motivation to play First Departure. Probably because I don't know the game inside out like I do with Second Evolution.

A² · « **Reply #64 on:** June 12, 2009, 09:49:01 PM »

Quote from: Defenestration on June 12, 2009, 08:34:27 PM

You know, Til the End of Time was the first Star Ocean game I ever played. It will also be the last.

This is sort of like not playing DMC3 or 4 because you played 2 first.

Or not playing any megaman game because you played Megaman Soccer first.

Or not playing any Final Fantasy because you played FF11 first.

Defenestration · « **Reply #65 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:09:53 PM »

To be clear, I'm basing that on my hatred of Valkyrie Profile (PSP) as well.

Walker · « **Reply #66 on:** June 12, 2009, 11:06:37 PM »

Hell, Six, even -I'm- still trudging my way through VP. I think the (lack of) story is stupid, but at least the combat isn't horrible.

Defenestration · « **Reply #67 on:** June 12, 2009, 11:14:45 PM »

Part of it is I won't have a working PSP again for another week, and part of it is that JRPGs just don't hold my interest anymore... though I'll probably make an exception for Mother 3

Brentai · « **Reply #68 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:35:52 AM »

VP is really making apparent to me one of the things I dislike about these guys' games, which is that the function of most of the stuff in the game can really only be learned through experimentation and probably a lot of reloading. I mean experimentation is fun but not when you have to do it to figure out basic game mechanics. I eventually broke down and looked at a FAQ to see exactly what I was doing to myself, and ended up reloading a save way back before the first dungeon boss to replay things. Not because I had necessarily screwed myself too badly, just because I felt I might enjoy things more if I played it the way the guide suggested instead.

McDohl · « **Reply #69 on:** June 13, 2009, 05:26:41 AM »

Unfortunately, yeah, that's the way it works sometimes with tri-Ace games.
Star Ocean 2: "Innate talents that you start off with randomly, and you can hose yourself out of some awesome items if Claude doesn't have the one associated with pickpocketing!"

As far as Star Ocean 3 goes, someone told me the major plot twist of the game, and I looked at him like, "You're fucking joking." He's like, "Serious as a heart attack, dude."

I put the game away and haven't touched it since.

Doom · « **Reply #70 on:** June 13, 2009, 06:28:20 AM »

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I think the (lack of) story is stupid

Dear everyone playing VP for the first time: stick with it or cheese your way to the best ending, then kvetch about the story. At least kvetch on solid ground!

[spoiler]THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE LIGHT ON STORY, intro aside! Chapter 4 and beyond raise it exponentionally![/spoiler]

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VP is really making apparent to me one of the things I dislike about these guys' games, which is that the function of most of the stuff in the game can really only be learned through experimentation and probably a lot of reloading. I mean experimentation is fun but not when you have to do it to figure out basic game mechanics. I eventually broke down and looked at a FAQ to see exactly what I was doing to myself, and ended up reloading a save way back before the first dungeon boss to replay things. Not because I had necessarily screwed myself too badly, just because I felt I might enjoy things more if I played it the way the guide suggested instead.

I won't deny that playing through with a guide is a good idea.. but what mechanics? Artifacts aren't that important, min-maxing isn't that important even on hard mode, every random battle is a chance to learn the battle system(you should be a machine by chapter 3, only having to minorly adjust for newbies) and the most complicated puzzles are pretty free to repeat(fuck you, crystals!)

[spoiler]The fun in the battle system is that no matter how good you actually get, you can A) become better and B) keep experimenting well into the post end-game to end up with a perfect four-piece. At least that's what kept my interest.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Maybe I am biased here because I "cheated" by immediately realizing how to satisfy 100% of all Valhalla's requirements? I basically enter a new chapter, do all the divinities I'm allowed to and piss away my 20-30 EXTRA DAYS clearing the dungeons with the newbies or hold-overs that satisfy Freya, then send them off at the second-to-last-day. I never kept any artifacts because OCD.

The only thing I learned firsthand that bothered me was that most non-dungeon and non-tragedy town visits are pointless without a FAQ holding your hand for rare item drops or silver-haired peasant girl flashbacks. And even then I just stopped checking after about four explorations.[/spoiler]

Romosome · « **Reply #71 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:29:15 AM »

so I played through Radiata Stories up until the part where you actually choose sides and had to put it down but I think I'm still in love with that game.

I can't say no to Clockwork Towns full of little people with their virtual lives and schedules. It's one of my favorite game mechanics.

It's also fairly pretty, even if your character runs like a total ponce, and a few of the music tracks get stuck in my head (normal walkin' around music, Mage Town) even if the rest really do sound like Elevator music (battle theme =/) like Arc said.

Bongo Bill · « **Reply #72 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:52:36 AM »

Tri-Ace, huh?

I liked Baten Kaitos. That was Tri-Ace, wasn't it?

Rico · « **Reply #73 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:24:13 AM »

Disposable Ninja · « **Reply #74 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:36:31 AM »

Baten Kaitos was Tri-Crescendo. They uh... made music for Tri-Ace.

I liked Baten Kaitos Origins. That's a pretty good game.

Brentai · « **Reply #75 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:16:50 PM »

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THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE LIGHT ON STORY, intro aside! Chapter 4 and beyond raise it exponentionally!

:coffeespiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit:

You are JOKING. I am about to put this game down due to endless fucking walls of text Jesus Christ shut up you whining fucks as it is, please do not tell me they only get larger and whinier.

Quote from: Doom on June 13, 2009, 06:28:20 AM

what mechanics?

Skills, Transmutation, and how the hell to read the Weapon/Armor descriptions. Skills is of course how the hell you train your warriors for Valhalla in the first place, Transmutation I haven't touched for fear of turning some artifact into jelly, and weapons I get now mostly except for that whole 1->02->X3->X thing.

What bugs me about the game is that characters seem to have pretty arbitrary equipment limits, and there's no way to see who can equip things in the shop menu. I bought some better armor WHY CAN'T ARNGRIM USE IT? I STILL DO NOT KNOW. This is not fucking 1985.

Quote from: Romosome on June 13, 2009, 08:29:15 AM

I can't say no to Clockwork Towns full of little people with their virtual lives and schedules. It's one of my favorite game mechanics.

PICK THE FAIRY SIDE

LOSE ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND NEVER SEE THE TOWN AGAIN

Doom · « **Reply #76 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:32:07 PM »

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You are JOKING. I am about to put this game down due to endless fucking walls of text Jesus Christ shut up you whining fucks as it is, please do not tell me they only get larger and whinier.

Larger and awesomer, maybe.. but... yeaah..... :awesome:

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Armor woes.

Pretty sure Armor is about as complicated as Melee Guy/Archer Guy/Spell Guy.

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Transmutin' Artifacts

Artifacts are either clearly labeled or you're warned that they are an artifact, I can't remember which.

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Skills and train for Valhalla

.... ??????? I thought Freya just gave you an easy to hit task like VALHALLA NEEDS AN ARCHER or PUT ALL THE SKILL POINTS HERE.

You seem to be over-thinking the game a bit. You don't even have to perfect min-max your way through hard mode.

Brentai · « **Reply #77 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:10:33 PM »

Maybe I'm just unknowingly buying archer armor or something, but I still don't know why, for example, Jelanda has a Tiara on and when I go and buy Better Tiara I can't put it on her. I DON'T KNOW WHYYYYYYYY.

MarsDragon · « **Reply #78 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:58:12 PM »

Yeah, training for Valhalla is mostly listening to what Freya wants, then getting someone's hero value up enough and maybe tossing some points into an obvious skill. FREYA WANTS A SKILLED TRACKER? I WONDER IF I SHOULD PUT POINTS INTO THE TRACK SKILL. Skills for useful party members are pretty much Guts, Auto-Item, then toss everything into Fight or whatever it was that raised pretty much every stat.

Transmutation is a way to get a ton of awesome stuff, but later. You can safely ignore it for pretty much until the last few chapters. And even then you can probably get through just by abusing Auto-Item and Guts.

I have no idea of what you're talking about for the armour.

Brentai · « **Reply #79 on:** June 13, 2009, 11:46:32 PM »

Apparently the third boss is weak against death.

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