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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #400 on: May 19, 2008, 08:35:56 AM »

Many who live deserve death, many who die deserve life, can you give it to them blah blah blah.

Hm.  You're agreeing with me, right?

I'm saying there's no point to having this conversation, unless you're Gandalf.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #401 on: May 19, 2008, 09:00:08 AM »

The rest of the world should vote on the American president.

The winner's platform would only be concerned with switching to the metric system, making dollar bills more colorful, and that Soccer will henceforth be known as Football, the new national sport.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #402 on: May 19, 2008, 10:20:41 AM »

I'd argue that native-born citizens should have to pass the same citizenship test that naturalized immigrants do in order to qualify to vote.  Y'know, require that at some point you demonstrate certain specific basic knowledge of how and why government functions, which can be obtained through simply study of readily available information.  A general academic requirement, though, is a terrible idea, and is on its face discrimination in rights based on wealth - maybe this isn't a bad thing in the eyes of libertarians, but most reasonable people and courts have disagreed.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #403 on: May 19, 2008, 11:06:54 AM »

The winner's platform would only be concerned with switching to the metric system,

Well, it's a more mathematically viable system, it's better recognized universally, I mean, that's not a bad thing...

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making dollar bills more colorful,

You know, to be honest, they do look a bit drab.  Maybe a little animal in the corner, you know, right beside the ancient Masonic symbology, nibbling on a twig or something...

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and that Soccer will henceforth be known as Football, the new national sport.

 :ohshi~: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #404 on: May 19, 2008, 11:24:08 AM »

Love of colorful money.  Support for the metric system.  Admiration of soccer.  It's apparent Arc has been compromised by some Brazilian usurper.  Now who on the forums could that mean?  I'll give you a hint:


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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #405 on: May 19, 2008, 12:03:57 PM »

reasonable people

Who? :OoO:

:ohshi~: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO




GOALGOALGOALGOAL!!! GOOOOOOOAAAAALLL!!!
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #406 on: May 19, 2008, 01:30:34 PM »

Love of colorful money.  Support for the metric system.  Admiration of soccer.  It's apparent Arc has been compromised by some Brazilian usurper.

You already got the ZARATUSTRA, though.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #407 on: May 19, 2008, 01:44:37 PM »

Have any other countries in the world instituted an academic requirement to democratic voting? Like a MA you get that allows you to run for office or vote for leaders?
That was the plot of Starship Troopers.

Was there an academic requirement in Starship Troopers, or just a military service requirement?

A general academic requirement, though, is a terrible idea, and is on its face discrimination in rights based on wealth - maybe this isn't a bad thing in the eyes of libertarians, but most reasonable people and courts have disagreed.

Not to mention that, as long as racial minorities are disproportionately poor, discrimination based on wealth is ipso facto discrimination based on race.

What Guild is proposing is a poll tax.  The Jim Crow South used them to prevent black people from voting.  The 24th Amendment banned them.

I am not accusing Guild of racism -- in fact he pointed out that he WASN'T suggesting only rich white males be allowed to vote.  I merely think he is ignoring the obvious fact that most people with higher education ARE rich and white, if not necessarily male, and I am increasingly of the opinion that he has not spent much time studying history, because he keeps proposing social and economic strategies that have already been tried and which had disastrous consequences.  (I'm waiting for someone to explain to him what happened the last time America tried the "The economy is none of the government's business" approach he keeps advocating.)

Democracy, as Churchill observed, is the worst form of government except for all the others people have tried.  Of course it has its inherent flaws, and an uninformed or indifferent populace is perhaps the greatest among these.  But the alternatives are worse.  Our own democracy smells a lot like oligarchy right now, and an academic barrier to voting would only intensify our problems.

The way to a more informed voting populace is better education.  And that means better PUBLIC education, because rich people are NOT the only ones who have a right to an education.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #408 on: May 19, 2008, 01:51:56 PM »

If I remember correctly it was a military service requirement.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #409 on: May 19, 2008, 02:11:22 PM »

(I'm waiting for someone to explain to him what happened the last time America tried the "The economy is none of the government's business" approach he keeps advocating.)

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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #410 on: May 19, 2008, 03:37:42 PM »

Have any other countries in the world instituted an academic requirement to democratic voting? Like a MA you get that allows you to run for office or vote for leaders?
That was the plot of Starship Troopers.

Was there an academic requirement in Starship Troopers, or just a military service requirement?
Heinlein insisted that it was any kind of government service, not just military, but the novel made basically no reference to non-military service. There were no academic requirements, apart from the training necessary to functionally perform that duty. And living through it.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #411 on: May 20, 2008, 02:46:42 PM »

All things considered, the soldiers in starship troopers were pretty educated. You didn't see any of them throwing puppies over cliffs or playing target practice with the Quran.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #412 on: May 20, 2008, 03:01:16 PM »

Unlike journalism, in fiction it's not very glamorous to write about the inevitable delinquents.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #413 on: May 20, 2008, 04:07:42 PM »

I think they did shit like that in the movie, but that barely counts.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #414 on: May 20, 2008, 04:14:49 PM »

The movie had shit-all to do with the book anyway.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #415 on: May 20, 2008, 04:25:07 PM »

Unlike journalism, in fiction it's not very glamorous to write about the inevitable delinquents.

Uh... :facepalm:
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #416 on: May 20, 2008, 07:53:15 PM »



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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #417 on: May 21, 2008, 11:05:48 AM »

I don't know what makes that picture. The insane, mongle your cock grin on Hilary, the world's gayest man at the left, or the russian-looking man behind them who clearly plans to kill them both.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #418 on: May 22, 2008, 03:39:27 PM »

McCain finally throws Hagee under the bus as it turns out the latter seems to think Hitler was pretty okay.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #419 on: May 22, 2008, 04:01:48 PM »

People will compare it to the incident with Obama and Wright. That's probably an unfair comparison. At the end of that article, though, you can see him working it into his strategy.
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