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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2008, 11:23:37 AM »

My dad is a lifelong Republican Boomer who said he's likely to vote Obama.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2008, 11:47:19 AM »

It really is notable how much Obama could mess up the likly voters polls. I mean black and youth participation in primaries has been amazing, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it gets blown out of the water when it comes to the national election participation. Also yeah, the young energetic, optimstic, attractive balck man vs the old, tired, slow talking, sagging, white man is going to kill McCain in the debates. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain trys to set things up so that there aren't any debates.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2008, 03:28:54 PM »

I'm all the way up here in Canada where we are stuck with NO attractive candidates.

Geez... tell me about it.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2008, 12:06:42 AM »

As much as it pains me to admit it, I've been thinking about it recently and come to the conclusion that even if Obama were 500 delegates ahead of Clinton she is going to be the more electable one.

I think that Obama is going to be hurt a lot by voting booth indecision, when people take a moment right before they punch their ballot.

Whereas with Clinton, as my girlfriend put it: "Even a lot of conservative Republican women are going to get into the voting booth and say, 'What the hell, my vote's not going to matter, I'll vote for the woman.'"
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2008, 12:11:21 AM »

I think you underestimate the extent to which conservative Republican women hate Hillary Clinton.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2008, 12:28:22 AM »

Yeah, your girlfriend is a little bit stupid.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2008, 08:42:19 AM »

I'm all the way up here in Canada where we are stuck with NO attractive candidates.

Geez... tell me about it.

Well, it's not all bad. At least they are entertaining.

Steven Harper's my way or the highway approach to politics is sort of appealing to white collar wage slaves who have had one too many meetings where they've walked away and realized, "Wait a miniute, THAT's what we are really doing now? That's what we all agreed to? That's garbage!" You can argue that a lot of PMs have ruled like this, but I think Harper has really taken it to an extreme. Other Prime Ministers have done it because they like to seem like a strong leader and don't like people being insubordinate to them. Harper does it because HE AND HE ALONE KNOWS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR WESTE-- er I MEAN CANADIANS.

Jack Layton, for all of his faults, was born to stand in the house of commons as the leader of the NDP during a Conservative lead house of commons. He loves it. I am convinced that if you told him one day that tomorrow he couldn't stand in the house and yell at the Harper government he would be found dead the next morning. American politicians only dream that they could express constant outrage like Jack Layton.

Anything that Stéphane Dion has done since becoming the Liberal leader has been either completely banal or sort of retarded but fortunately for him, he is so invisible to the average Canadian that no one cares. I have noticed that lately, with the talk of elections becoming slightly louder over the last few months, he's been trying to define himself in the eye of the public a little more favourably, and just a little more in general. It seems to me like he is trying to steal the image of the angry French-Canadian hot head who with some effort, tones down his temper for civil discourse but not aways 100%. It worked so well for Jean Chretien all those years ago, so maybe it's a good approach for him. I have this theory that this sort of personality is the Canadian equivalent to the Folksy Texan that Americans love so much.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2008, 10:33:32 AM »

They still sound a lot less entertaining than our guys.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2008, 11:43:44 AM »

Nobody can compare with the US on matters of ridiculous politicians, with the possible exception of Italy.

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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2008, 11:45:25 AM »

I want a group of politicians that solve their problems with good old fashioned fisticuffs.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2008, 02:31:01 PM »

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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2008, 03:47:28 PM »

My dad is a lifelong Republican Boomer who said he's likely to vote Obama.

Funny how that works.. 

I, myself have gone to the booths thinking 'alright, I'm going to go for this guy because he kicks ass and will do great bla bla bla...'

where the X lands by the end of the day is a much different story.  I don't think I stand alone here either...

Also, I'm seeing a bit of wishful thinking of how McCain will be weak in debates.  I suspect that will become a big surprise in the months to come..
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #132 on: March 13, 2008, 03:55:51 PM »

They still sound a lot less entertaining than our guys.

I'll take 'less entertaining', if it comes with 'marginally less retarded and image-driven' as a corollary.

It may only be a result of the lower population, but Canadians are closer to their elected buffoons, than those south of the 49th. To use current events as an example, sex scandals are basically non-existant here, because it's not so much like "You caught the ubermensch in bed with a whore. WORLDVIEW SHATTERED" as it is "You caught your ugly uncle raymond in bed with a fat chick from down the street. CLOSE THE DOOR".

My dad is a lifelong Republican Boomer who said he's likely to vote Obama.

Funny how that works.. 

I, myself have gone to the booths thinking 'alright, I'm going to go for this guy because he kicks ass and will do great bla bla bla...'

where the X lands by the end of the day is a much different story.  I don't think I stand alone here either...

Also, I'm seeing a bit of wishful thinking of how McCain will be weak in debates.  I suspect that will become a big surprise in the months to come..

We've already been shown once that no one should count the man out. He's at his best when backed into a corner.

I expect one hell of a fight, no matter which Democrat wins.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2008, 07:19:03 AM »

Yeah, your girlfriend is a little bit stupid.
Except for her being from an ultra-conservative town in an ultra-conservative part of the state and actually knowing a lot of *gasp* conservative women, including several national business owners worth several million dollars.  But lol we're poor hippie white guys on Internet we know who hates Clinton.

My anecdotal evidence wins, sorry.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2008, 11:02:37 AM »

Not going to get into a "who has the better personal anecdote" fight; that's stupid.  Show me some data.

Last I checked, national polls showed both Clinton and Obama beating McCain.  I haven't seen a good state-by-state breakdown, and there's plenty that can change by November, but on the other hand, it's pretty damn rare for somebody to win the popular vote but not the electoral.  (And it didn't happen in 2000, either; statewide Florida recounts show Gore won the electoral vote too.)
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #135 on: March 15, 2008, 09:58:30 PM »

Some data on whether, months from now, a fair number of conservative women will have a personal moment in the voting booth and show some female solidarity?  I know you're not that dumb.

That's something which can only be anecdotal, possibly even after it happens.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2008, 11:08:15 PM »

Then it's worthless to the conversation.  Are you planning on contributing anything, or are you going to sit here and try to explain the sound of one hand clapping?
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2008, 11:23:55 PM »



Wish this was animated....
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #138 on: March 16, 2008, 12:40:29 AM »

When I was visiting family in Arizona, we tried discussing the upcoming election. THree of my aunts are voting Hillary. THREE.

I couldn't find out why as one of them, who takes -everything- personally, decided to rudely demand we stop talking about it. Given her temper tantrums, we really had no other choice but to comply and try to wait until she was asleep to talk like adults about it.
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Re: Primary Wars
« Reply #139 on: March 16, 2008, 08:41:49 AM »

Oh please.  "Rich white women more likely to vote for rich white woman than black man," is no less contributing a statement than any of the other personal opinion flying around in this thread, including quite a few of yours even on the first page of the thread.

And really, you're whining about the use of subjective data in politics, where most of the "objective" data we get is collation of lots of peoples' subjective data?
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