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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2010, 07:39:13 PM »

I don't know what to tell you.  I've never had him be anything but helpful, and your placement issues with him are going to be only that much greater online, so if anything it's good training.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2010, 11:27:03 PM »

How dumb is the chacha compared to the cat when it comes to bombs?
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2010, 12:39:23 AM »

Dunno yet, you have to unlock the felyne mask for him to use them.  I'd imagine it's still a "only use if you're using a bowgun" situation.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2010, 07:45:39 AM »

So I've switched to Longsword, at least for now. It seems that guard based lancers seem to have a lot of trouble with the later village quests due to fast wyverns taking forever to kill with a lance. The longsword seems to be able to mulch most fast enemies simply by virtue of hitting really hard, really fast, really often. I'm still getting used to the switch to an evade based weapon, but it's nice being able to do serious damage on these fast enemies that guard seems to be less and less effective on.

I may switch back to lance once I get a set of Barioth armor, as I understand Lance really comes into it's own with Evade +2.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2010, 09:29:38 AM »

I want to keep being a tank, so I will still persevere with the lance. As soon as I got my stuff together I took Barroth out pretty easy. I just had to learn how to stick to him, just like I did with Royal Ludroth. Gobul was a bitch, but he's a water enemy, and they sort of have the advantage in water.

Got my first dose of Rathian last night online. She said hi by killing me and another dude with her tail spin. Almost 95 damage, with poison taking you out like a chump while you stand back up.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2010, 09:33:22 AM »

Rathian's enrage is pretty short- best thing to do is paintball her and then wait it out off screen. Most of the higher tier wyverns have a tendancy to take off more than half your health with a single hit when they're pissed off.

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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2010, 11:52:58 AM »

Yeah, I jumped right in, which doesn't help. First time ever fighting Rathian, since I never got that far in MHFU. I was hoping that my shield could save me. It doesn't when I am stabbing up in the air.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2010, 08:57:40 AM »

Ended up getting stuck farming lagiacrus so I could make an Arcus Lance to kill Barioth with. After about ten tries I finally brought him down and now I can consistently kill him - it's a tough fight to learn, but once you know what to do he's honestly pretty easy.

Barioth has a very, very small stamina pool. When it's low, his speed is basically cut in half, and when he's out of stamina he takes long breaks between attack rotations that give you plenty of room to get in there and beat him up. His speed is also dependent on whether or not his wings are still fully intact - he uses them for traction during his attack rotations, so if you can break his wing claws off his speed will further get cut down by another 50%. He seems to ignore his stamina during rage, but not the broken claws. So first priority is to break the claws off, but this is easier said than done.

After your first time seeing, he always starts in area 6. There's a room to the north with Baggis, this is usually the first area he goes after he leaves 6, so wait there and prep a pitfall trap and two large barrel bombs about where you think one of his wings will be once he hits the trap. This isn't an exact science, obviously, but the barrel bombs have a wide explosion radius anyway. Once he trips the trap, blow the bombs up (I used a small barrel for this) and spend whatever time you have left after the bombs go wailing on that wing. Try to aim all attacks at the wing until it breaks. If he enrages before you've broken at least one wing, run off screen and wait about two or three minutes until his rage ends.

He'll usually stay in an area until he's either taken a lot of damage, or been in an area too long. When he's completely out of stamina he'll usually stick around until some internal timer dings off, at which point he'll try to fly to one of the two zones with herbavores in them - they're near the south end of the map. Try to get there first, and if you can, kill or chase away any herbavores before he lands. If he gets one, his stamina is recharged and he'll be moving at full speed again.

If you don't think he's going off screen for stamina - he timed out or you did enough damage, but he's not moving really slow yet - then go to wherever he's headed (hopefully you paintballed, otherwise, eyeball it - he's predictable and tundra is a small zone) and drop a trap on the ground. Alternate between shock traps and pitfall traps, because the duration will shorten each new time you drop a trap. DRop more bombs. If he still has a wing claw left, blow that shit up. Otherwise, drop your bombs on the face to blow up the amber tusks, these are used for all the barioth weapon recipes and at least two pieces of the barioth armor (which is the first armor with Evade on it, and is fucking incredible for anything you fight outside of the Volcano.)

Once all the parts are broken besides the tail, go for it. The tail isn't used in a lot of attacks and is pretty predcitable once you understand it's physics, so I don't consider it high priority for life saving. It's also a fucking durable tail. I've killed barioth five times now and taken the tail off twice. :(

You can also skip the tail and keep wailing on the head for maximum damage.  For best results, use a fire or lightning weapon.

Edit; Oh, if you're using sword/shield or lance, make sure you have a full set of steel armor and some fully upgraded alloy greaves or you are going to get your ass kicked, Guard +2 seems to be a must.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #88 on: April 28, 2010, 07:05:54 AM »

Oh hey guys I heard you're all monster hunting it up now. Except oh wait you don't have lances that shoot fire or kitties that toss bombs, lay traps, and heal you.

Sad Aintaer will just be over here hunting his 200th silver rathalos... :despair:
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #89 on: April 28, 2010, 07:15:09 AM »

HAVE FUN GRINDING WHILE WE HAVE FUN...        grinding



I like Tri because it's on a console and I don't need a PS3 to play with other people. It has less monsters, but most of the monsters are new! And fighting in water is pretty sweet. Can't wait until they announce what Portable 3rd will have in the way of "Infrastructure support".
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2010, 07:18:57 AM »

Monster Hunter is still alien to me. So Aintaer's success is kind of like running ICC for the 200th time? or beating the Elite 4 200 times? or beating Kayin in SF 200 times in a row while using only DPs? :nyoro~n:
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2010, 07:32:17 AM »

Couldn't tell you, because I never got far enough to have to grind that stuff. I can guess that he is grinding for materials that drop very rarely though.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2010, 10:54:55 AM »

I managed to get a Barioth lance yesterday morning and have just steamrolled fucking everything now. Having 40% affinity and a huge elemental attack that hurts almost every wyvern in the game is pretty goddamn rad.

Also, I put off killing Diablos forever thinking he would be hard and he is literally the easiest boss I have fought so far. What the fuck, seriously? For the cost of a gunpowder and a screamer you can trap him almost nonstop, you can get him stuck in walls, and all of his damaging dangerous limbs (tail, horns) have next to no hp and are easily severed. on top of that, he can get caught in traps in Tri, which honestly makes me feel almost bad for him.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2010, 12:36:48 PM »

Armor sets have 5 pieces: head, chest, arms, waist, legs. Silver Sol Z set has every piece requiring a Divine Rathalos Scale, which has the highest chance of getting off a G-rank Silver Rathalos, with 2% chance upon breaking his head, 1% chance in getting from his shiny drop, 1% chance of carving from his tail, and 2% in capturing him.  You get extra chances of getting it with Ultra/Mega lucky cat from felyne kitchen, so it amounts to about 10% per Silver Rathalos.

Thus far I have gotten 5 pieces, but used one for my very pretty fire longsword. So one more to go! I'd say about 60-70 of the 200 rathaloses I've hunted are silver. The rest of them have little tiny weeniestails.

I don't know how Dialos is in Tri, but Dialos will not pop out of the ground from sonic bomb if he is in rage mode. And the lower his HP the more likely he is to go into rage mode. You can always use shock traps, but he can break them if he pops out of the ground on one.  The difficult in hunting Diablos is his weak spot is his tail, and in G-rank where everything hurts forever and he runs around a lot and likes to dig, he's just annoying to hunt, not so much hard.

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This is called a PS3. I have been crying since the day Capcom announced MH3 for the Wii instead.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2010, 01:30:46 PM »

Yeah, not super pleased with the platform. I get that there was budget concerns blah blah but considering how insanely popular this game is and the fact that the last like six sequels were just the same game with three-four new monsters popped in, I'm really not impressed with Capcom's whining. It's like they're printing money at this point.

I would go out tomorrow and buy a new wii if it supported 1080p. Do you hear me Nintendo?

You're vaguely asian, Aintaer. Can't you do something about this? You and Miyamoto are basically cousins, aren't you? Can't you like, pull some strings?

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I don't know how Dialos is in Tri, but Dialos will not pop out of the ground from sonic bomb if he is in rage mode. And the lower his HP the more likely he is to go into rage mode. You can always use shock traps, but he can break them if he pops out of the ground on one.  The difficult in hunting Diablos is his weak spot is his tail, and in G-rank where everything hurts forever and he runs around a lot and likes to dig, he's just annoying to hunt, not so much hard.

Yeah, you still can't pop him out of the grind when he's enraged, and at very low hp one point of damage is all it takes, but at that point it's pretty much in the bag. Getting him to that level takes almost no effort, at least against the normal difficulty Diablos. I haven't done any higher rank stuff outside of the Ps2 version, but I do remember Diablos being a motherfucker in the Ps2 version pretty clearly.



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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2010, 11:00:10 PM »

I think everything you said was true of Diablos to begin with, although the weak breakables is probably from fighting him offline.  Also, I'm guessing you were lancing?  He's probably gone through some tuning changes since the first MH, though.  Seriously, this game has made me want to make some lancing sets for MHFU and see how it goes.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2010, 08:19:03 AM »

Fucking Lagiacrus was a bitch, but now with the volcano open I can create superweapons that will crush it next time I grind for shit. I need to figure out how to use the greatsword. I think I almost have a hang of the charge draw, but that doesn't even work underwater when you are fighting a monster that can fuck you up whenever it moves.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2010, 09:24:40 AM »

Fucking Lagiacrus was a bitch, but now with the volcano open I can create superweapons that will crush it next time I grind for shit. I need to figure out how to use the greatsword. I think I almost have a hang of the charge draw, but that doesn't even work underwater when you are fighting a monster that can fuck you up whenever it moves.

If you use a lance, every underwater monster in the game is a complete fucking joke.

Longswords are pretty good for that too, now that I think about it.
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #98 on: April 30, 2010, 01:01:25 PM »

Barrioth is proving to be a brick wall of sorts.  I CAN beat him, it just takes so much time and resources.  Also, only with lance.  Everything else get's me killed too many times.  So frustrating!  Especially since so many weapons I want need parts from him. :rage:
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Re: Monster Hunter
« Reply #99 on: April 30, 2010, 01:33:51 PM »

Barrioth is proving to be a brick wall of sorts.  I CAN beat him, it just takes so much time and resources.  Also, only with lance.  Everything else get's me killed too many times.  So frustrating!  Especially since so many weapons I want need parts from him. :rage:

Doris Spear (Y) is really burly for fighting Barioth with, if you can get the parts to make it. To speed things up, break his claws immediately (pit traps + upthrust) to slow him down and then abuse barrel bombs for huge damage. (lg+ if you have some scatterfish) Once he's limping you can cheese him by running over to his sleeping body, dropping barrels, blowing them up, running off screen, running back and repeating.

Don't underestimate stampeding, either. I'm finding now that I have weapons with large blocks of green sharpness, stampede is accounting for a huge portion of my damage. If you aim at his claws/wings you can avoid most of his attacks and he leaves a lot of openings - esp. when stamina hungry - for long charges.

I'm happy to say that after about 25 Barioth kills, I have a full suit of armor, a fully upgraded weapon, and no need to ever fucking kill him again. Don't sell your amber tusks. :(

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