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[Kazz]

And another edit to say Kazz is lying, 'cause he grabs my boobs all the time.  In the middle of me changing or drying off from a shower, etc, any time.

that's different.  that's in the contract.

just like where you're obligated to come here and tell everyone all the things i get to do to you in order to make them jealous.

[Detonator]

Big or small, young or old, male or female.  It doesn't matter.  I am utterly desperate for human contact.  I'm so lonely.

Y...you never asked me 

[Kazz]

YOU HAVE TO BE WEARING THE PIN OR I CAN'T

[Classic]

It could go a long way to helping a lot of people by creating a freer sexual landscape and de-mystifying the opposite sex. However, it would seem on casual observation that free group groping is appealing in part for the anonymity it might offer. If you're a member of a con simply wearing a pin saying you'd like to be a member of creepy groping, part of the draw would be that you aren't identifiable and the stigma that would (and should?) arise from being so desperate for human contact wouldn't stick. Unfortunately, the kind of objectification that I assume goes along with this kind of interaction seems harmful, at the very least, I'd feel guilt for avoiding the stigma the practice seeks to erase! If this is even a good idea at all, it seems like an unhealthy practice that would transition to a healthy one. Perhaps one where women don't feel that they alone carry a culture's sexual honor.

And another edit to say Kazz is lying, 'cause he grabs my boobs all the time.  In the middle of me changing or drying off from a shower, etc, any time.

Of course he does! Boobs ARE GREAT!
Hooray for Boobies!

In the meantime, whenever I'm thrown even a moderately sized body of text, my instinct is to run far away (see how I'm still "trying" to get through Lolita). So I haven't actually read anything that this man has said, or the scary (i.e. FULL OF WORDS) fallout that's resulted from it.

While the idea of groping someone randomly is somewhat appealing, the fact of the matter is I've been pretty damned lately and have occasionally been flailing about in delirium in vain attempts to regain any sort of sensical orientation to the rational landscape. I.E. Classic has been without hugs for a week and he's FALLING APART! PITY IS DUE!

Ahem, err, yes... Enough

Edit: Initially the meaty, not totally worthless part of the post came second. It is separated by a horizontal reference. The "not a joke" part of the post now misses some measure of context, but that's something to review after actually reading what I'm trying to respond to.

[Kazz]

Classic, your behavior has been pretty fucking odd lately anyway.

But I only read through the original part of the LJ post; I really don't care enough about strangers' opinions to go through all of the ones referenced in the OP.

[Royal☭]

Everyone of course realizes that this plays up more to the adolescent male fantasy for a bunch of women willing to just positively give up their goodies to any guy that asks, right?

[jsnlxndrlv]

I've been a regular reader of The Ferrett's for a long time; first for his writings on Magic, and then for his (increasingly rare) roleplaying notes.  I skimmed his post before I went to work; where I kept finding myself mulling the idea over.  I kept coming back to the notion that, as a high school student, I wouldn't have had the guts to participate as either a pin-wearer or a pin-groper, but I'd have loved the idea, which was a pretty damning sign.  I had abysmal judgment in high school.  (That hasn't really changed, but I flatter myself with the belief that I'm at least conscious of the fact.)

So yesterday, I was reading posts I'd missed, and I came across this one.

I am sure there were plenty of women (many on my friendslist) who would wear a button proudly simply because the idea that they should not be afraid of sexuality appeals to them. I agree. We should not be afraid of our sexuality. However, I should not have to wear a button that says "NO YOU CANT".

For the record(once again) I am already forced to wear many ruminations of this button at cons. Not because of the open source project, but because people at FanCons and Faire ask...A LOT. There is this idea that at either of these places that a woman's body is second to the male gaze and satisfaction. That brings me to....

2. Body Issues and Con Culture

If you've been to a FanCon (Barring well the NPL con and the like) and you're a woman then get ready, you are about to become objectified. It happens at least once every time I go to a con or even a faire.

The idea that a woman's body is on display in her costume and is therefore there for your enjoyment is a common thought at Con. It is Sexist. God forbid you are a lady of ample assets. So... many ....fanboys.

In retrospect, I imagine I'd have found the original post a lot more offending if I'd read the entire thing.  But yeah, this is a terrible idea that should never have left the small group it originated with.

[James Edward Smith]

I find the complaints of women at cons that they are frequently objectified by male con goers while they are wearing sexy outfits that reveal or emphasize their feminine forms to be ridiculous and well, nerdy. In fact, I hear male con goers (nerds) talking about this more than I ever hear it from women.

If you are going to wear a sexy costume then men, by and large, are going to be aroused by this and interested in looking at you. To suggest that this is in anyway worse or more prevalent in an anime con than it is anywhere else seems retarded to me. Are nerdy, sociall-retarded males going to appear more creepy than the average male when they are affected in this way by you? Of course they are, they are nerdy and socially-retarded. But do not delude yourself into thinking that any other group of males would be any less interested. They just know how to not make you feel uncomfortable by not displaying their obvious attentions so obviously.

Bascially, my point is that anyone who worries about being objectified while wearing a sexy costume is clearly a nerd who has no idea how to interact with other people to the same degree as the oglers who they fear.

Also,

that's different.  that's in the contract.

just like where you're obligated to come here and tell everyone all the things i get to do to you in order to make them jealous.

*highfive*

[Zaratustra]

Have you considered that maybe girls like playing dress up for dress up's sake

[Friday]

T GEO:

There's a line. If I dress to kill, I expect boys to die, not get slaughtered, if you catch my drift.

And if you don't, then I'll spell it out for you:

Being a nerd does not give you the OK to be creepy. You need to learn to control the form of your interest.

On the other hand, yeah, a girl who dresses sexy should expect interest. Complaining about said interest if it is within acceptable limits is, indeed, stupid.

But yeah, I get tired of women taking digs at nerds. Your point about how other guys are the same, just better at hiding it, is right on. If you're the kind of girl who likes her boys fake smiles and smooth moves instead of honesty and actual wit, then you're a stupid girl and you should stick to going to Frat parties and stay the fuck out of cons.

[Lady Duke]

Right on, Friday :3

[James Edward Smith]

T GEO:

There's a line. If I dress to kill, I expect boys to die, not get slaughtered, if you catch my drift.

And if you don't, then I'll spell it out for you:

Being a nerd does not give you the OK to be creepy. You need to learn to control the form of your interest.

On the other hand, yeah, a girl who dresses sexy should expect interest. Complaining about said interest if it is within acceptable limits is, indeed, stupid.

But yeah, I get tired of women taking digs at nerds. Your point about how other guys are the same, just better at hiding it, is right on. If you're the kind of girl who likes her boys fake smiles and smooth moves instead of honesty and actual wit, then you're a stupid girl and you should stick to going to Frat parties and stay the fuck out of cons.

Hey, I didn't say being a nerd gives you a right to anything. I hate nerds being overly nerdy, that's why I stopped going to cons after my first one, I'm not enough of a nerd to feel comfortable there and a lot of people are overly nerdy there.

My point was that nerds being overly creepy or lady killers being overly pushy both seem equally as rude to me and that in my experience in both the con environment and the bar/club environment, they both seem just as common. The result of this is that when these con skanks complain about creepy guys, I kind of want to change the subject quickly because I don't like having conversations about retarded things and in my experience people don't like being told they are hypocritical or ignorant.

Have you considered that maybe girls like playing dress up for dress up's sake

I don't see your point. My point was that girls who choose to dress up in a sexy costume and then are unprepared for the inevitable are nerds who clearly don't have much social experience around normal guys of any subculture.

[Lady Duke]

Yeah, regardless of whether the girl is dressing up for the sake of dressing up or not, she better be prepared to be ogled.  And if they aren't prepared, I know I won't want to hear about it if they complain about unwanted attention, 'cause they should know full well that dressing sexy is going to attract attention, period, end of discussion.

[Brentai]

Most of these girls are fully prepared to be ogled, but they're also aware of the psychological effect of treating their freely exposed asses like they're something you're not supposed to be able to see.

[Friday]

Brentai, your ass is showing

[Friday]

also may I touch your manboobs

[Arc]

also Arc I'd let you grope and respect me less based solely as a reward for Dog O' War ok

Then a sequel must be made (with a Jack Russell Terrier and Submarines or something) for Third Base.

[Fortinbras]

Friday has said the things I would have said if had planned to post in this thread.  There's one thing I want to add though.

A horde of fatbeards roaming around a con, asking to touch boobs is FUCKING HORRIFYING.  I don't need to examine the psychosexual ramifications of it to realize that these people are BREAST ZOMBIES and that is SCARY.

[sei]

But yeah, I get tired of women taking digs at nerds.

[Lady Duke]

I think it'd prolly be flattering at first, and then you'd just want them all to leave you the fuck alone.  Also, guys at cons are gross.