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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2008, 07:17:53 PM »

Kazz: So true.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2008, 08:09:08 PM »

LD? Your thoughts? Remember, your answer is strictly not confidential. :>_>:
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2008, 10:46:09 AM »

My thoughts:

Girls are just as into physical attractiveness as guys are.  Most girls I know go for looks first, then figure out if the guy is worth staying with after they've already thought about how they want to sleep with him.

And most girls I know also think it's not "awww cute" to see guys making out, they think it's hot.  Girls are just as bad as guys in the respects of seeing gay guys do stuff.  I'm not one of those girls 'cause I don't care about people making out--I don't want to see anybody making out, in public or private, near me.  All I care about is me making out, and I don't want other people to see me doing it.  PDA is pretty lame imo.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2008, 11:04:24 AM »

...you do realize what an incredible hyprocite you're being by saying that, right?
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2008, 11:09:18 AM »

How is that being a hypocrite?  'Cause I made a joke about Kazz grabbing my boobs in public (which he's never done and if he did I'd probably die right there of being so mortified)?
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2008, 07:44:16 PM »

And most girls I know also think it's not "awww cute" to see guys making out, they think it's hot.  Girls are just as bad as guys in the respects of seeing gay guys do stuff. 

I've always felt like girls who get hot and bothered by guy-on-guy action are very much the exception. And since our current sample size of two both say, "Nope, not so much," to boy makeouts being hot, well...

Also, I imagine it has less to do with women being less responsive to visual stimuli (um, bullshit) than it does with the respective cultures around same-sex makeouts. Two conventionally attractive girls making out (ESPECIALLY in public) are much more likely to be bi, or just attention whores. I see a boy with his tongue down another guy's throat, and I'm pretty convinced that tongue is coming nowhere near me.

Also, LD, didn't you know that ALL girls who admit to judging based on appearances are total hypocrites? Duh. (At least I think that's what that comment was referring to, not the PDA thing.)
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2008, 09:00:23 PM »

I think it's because girls are attractive, and guys are not attractive.  I think girls make out because, being attractive, they are attracted to each other.  I think guys make out because they accidentally missed one another's dicks.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2008, 09:14:12 PM »

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 :painful: :lol: :wakka: :hurr: HOW DID I NOT SEE IT BEFORE!?  :despair: :endit: :scanners: :gameover:
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2008, 10:48:06 PM »

Hey, you're the one who argued that women can sleep with other women on a regular basis without being the slightest bit homosexual.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2008, 11:43:38 PM »

I imagine it has less to do with women being less responsive to visual stimuli (um, bullshit) than it does with the respective cultures around same-sex makeouts.

On guys/girls visual/fantasizing: LD called me out on this, and I had to admit that three of the girls I've been sexually active with complimented me on my angry faces, so I admit my mistake there.

2) Culture does not and never has influence(d) my attraction triggers. Someone asked me once if I were gay and I responded with "You'd fucking know." If there's one thing I've got going for me it's that I never do things halfway, and in this subject matter I think I'm the rule rather than the exception...

...Unless what you're saying is more what I originally said which is that guys making out might be attractive for the pure "aww how sweet and rare and romantic" factor (that would be cultural bias creating sexually charged contrast).

The differences between guys and gals are to be celebrated, not used as ammunition, imho. Please don't take offense to anything I say, as I'm just freeballing this stuff anyway and have been wong on many, many occasions on a variety of subjects in the past.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2008, 11:45:54 PM »

Hey, you're the one who argued that women can sleep with other women on a regular basis without being the slightest bit homosexual.

They can. See: Inmates. Also: Female broomsticks.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2008, 11:58:23 PM »

can someone please lock this thread forever before guildenstern or classic post again
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2008, 01:59:55 AM »

Hey, you're the one who argued that women can sleep with other women on a regular basis without being the slightest bit homosexual.

EXACTLY YOU STUPID, STUPID GENIUS! YOU'VE ENCAPSULATED MY PREVIOUSLY UNENCAPSULATED WORLDVIEW PERFECTLY


Not so :hurr: addendum:
I'm going to repeat what I thought my argument was at the time, because now I'm concerned that I'm incredibly ignorant of something fundamental and being a complete douchebag without realizing it.
Some parts of sex and arousal are entirely autonomic. Stimulation to the genitals will (generally) produce some results in spite of the preference or intent of the "stimulatee". I also do not find it difficult to imagine a poly-gynous/androus situation or social structure in which two members of the same gender engage in some kind of sex (or if you prefer, mutual masturbation) as part of the ritual associated with the poly-androus/gynous social contract. Never once feeling attraction to the member of their same gender, and at best transferring the arousal from their preferred gender to the one of disinterest.

This isn't meant to say people aren't "gay" or "straight" or whatever, but that some situations or self-delusion could very well cause people to act outside of their orientation. E.G. Men who are "treated" for being gay, but then subsequently "relapse" after having children by a marriage.

Of course, this assumes that there is some orientation a person has which is independent of what sexual choices they make. E.e. All other things equal, my orientation doesn't change whether I drunkenly bone Kazz or LD (or both :vampire: ) during WorstConEast.

That makes sense, right?
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2008, 02:28:22 AM »

I have just discovered this thread.

What in the fuck
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2008, 04:24:40 AM »

Classic:

Yeah.  That makes sense.  If you ever enter into a sexual relationship in which you have no intimate, nay, even cordial connection with the other individual, it does not matter whether that person is male or female.  Fuck, it could be a broom, since all you seem to be doing is rubbing your genitals on it.

However, if you ever intentionally enter into a sexual relationship with someone of whom you are aware of the sex, the gender of that person in relation to your own can indicate something about your respective sexualities.  Crazy, I know, but true.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2008, 11:13:43 AM »

hi norondor! *waves*

you spelled devastator wrong

I read a study (I can dig it up if anyone cares enough) saying that only 50% of men and women are totally straight, 45% are bisexual and 5% are gay.

I have my own theory of sexuality: There is no spoon. That is to say, everyone has a number of sexual fetishes.

Some people might be attracted to shyness or nurturing attitudes or maybe perfume, therefore that person is sexually attracted only or mostly to girls.

Other people are attracted to say assertiveness or big muscles or maybe cologne, so they might be attracted only or mostly to men.

My own sexual fetishes, in no real order, include thighs, hot-faced-girls (symmetry pls), camel toe, orgasms (my partner's), weird noses, self-assurance, a nurturing attitude and smallish boobies.

All of this is completely separate from the emotion LOVE, but can be a factor, which is why I've always said I'd go gay for Bill Gates (do you like my hat?).
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2008, 11:35:17 AM »

that's right

the way into a woman's heart is hilarious image-fu involving cats and dogs and missiles

This is the only thing I'm taking away from this discussion. Later, relationship advice threads.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2008, 12:34:45 PM »

Oh, we're gonna discuss studies now?  Studies don't know crap about females sexuality if you want to get into it--when I took psych of women, we discussed at length how there are studies on gay men, but it's very hard to FIND a sample of lesbians.  They have to look for lesbian communities really hard, and even then, they're not great samples.  And then it's even harder to find samples of bisexual women, because in gay communities and straight communities, bisexual women are sort of in the middle, not accepted fully by either group.  People look at them as greedy or lying to themselves.

For many women, and this is backed up by several studies that I read in some psych book called "Selected Readings" on women or some crap, women don't lump themselves into a category (straight, gay, bisexual).  Generally speaking, it's a continuum of their attraction to any sex.  I'd say culturally speaking (our culture at least), girls place less importance on their sexual orientation and more on finding a partner.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2008, 01:19:06 PM »

Studies don't know crap and this is backed up by several studies that I read
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That's what I said! Except I said it about all people since the older I get the more convinced I become that the physiological differences between the sexes are almost incidental compared to cultural training.
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Re: Sour Gropes
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2008, 01:20:59 PM »

It's cool not to have to carry a culture's sexual honor, isn't it Guild?
We can be as rakish as we like and no one gives a flying :derp: !
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