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Don't Taze Me, Bro
« on: November 19, 2009, 09:56:34 AM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 10:17:14 AM »

She kicked an officer of the law in the nuts.

Welcome to the world of consequences, kid.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 10:28:36 AM »

Meh. Maybe it wasn't totally necessary but...
He had a taser, do you expect him not to tase if he can?

And besiiiiiides, it's better that he tased her than if he shot her or beat her in the face repeatedly, right?
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 11:42:45 AM »

Because ten-year old children are always fully cognizant of their actions. That's why we try kindergardeners in adult courts, after all.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 11:54:17 AM »

excuses
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 12:03:03 PM »

I can tell the "is ten old enough to learn that assaulting a police officer is a really bad idea" argument is going to be a gray area somehow, so let's try this instead: What are the chances she would have ended up with a broken arm if they hadn't stunned her?
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 12:26:13 PM »

Why do you guys seem to think that every encounter between a cop and a whirlwind girl child has to end in violence? (of course, I'm mostly sure that Kazz was joking).

The cops I've known might do a lot of things. They might give the girl a lecture. They might give the parent a lecture (or something more serious). They might bring the kid in to the station or put them in the back of the patrol car to show them the logical consequences for their actions. Regardless of what they do, I'm pretty sure a fully grown, armed, 170-250 lb man who has been trained to apprehend violent suspects can (not should, can) restrain a ten-year old girl with something less than MAXIMUM FORCE.

I know that living in the US makes "fuck with cops = get a beating" a pretty ingrained notion. but that's not actually supposed to be the way this policing thing works either in theory OR in actual practice.

I mean the very fact that I would even have to debate the validity of an armed, fully-grown man, beating a ten year old girl just makes me into Yoji :scanners:


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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 12:41:21 PM »

Beating?  Wow.  Beating?  Yeah, beating a ten year old sure is a fucking line.

Fuck that guy for beating a ten year old.

Fuck him for doing that thing.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 12:45:36 PM »

Beating?  Wow.  Beating?  Yeah, beating a ten year old sure is a fucking line.

Fuck that guy for beating a ten year old.

Fuck him for doing that thing.

You asked about a broken arm.

Tell me how else this girl's gonna get one. The cop gonna use his ARM BREAK-O EYEBALL LAZORZ to do it?

Because if all you're gonna do is physically restrain a child, you can do it without limb-breaking.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 12:50:48 PM »

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The child was "violently kicking and verbally combative" when Bradshaw tried to take her into custody, and she kicked him in the groin.

It's very easy to break one's own arm if you're flailing around when a stronger person is trying to hold you.  This girl was doing everything.

This was not a very bad temper tantrum.  She was violent, needed to be stopped, and would very likely hurt herself if not disabled in some way first.  The police have ways of safely restraining adults, sure, but kids are a whole lot more brittle.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 12:58:23 PM »

People can struggle hard enough to break their own arms. Most won't, for the same kind of reasons that most people can't asphyxiate themselves without some kind of tool.

Not to excuse poor police behavior, but the techniques they teach you aren't applicable to children that small. Also using force against preteens is always a sticky subject. If the officer hadn't used a taser, we may very well be discussing a non-taser related incident of excessive force.

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 01:03:42 PM »

Humorous sidenote: One of WikiHow's featured articles the other day was "How to Not Get Shot by the Police".  My first thought of course was "Do people really need a guide to that?"

GUESS SO :whoops:
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 01:05:40 PM »

Top on the list: Bleach your skin.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 01:17:57 PM »

I can't believe that we're even having this debate. Wait, yes I can.

...may as well toss my hat/scanner'd head chunks in.

My nieces can be pretty violent if they want to, including the one about the same age. They can and have hurt me since, like most kids, they play rough and dirty.

That said, I'm also a notorious wimp that can be toppled with a stern glare. I'd imagine most cops (especially in the US) are burly beasts that should be more than capable of subduing a child. Then again, this is still the US where wisdom says that if brute force isn't work, you're just not using enough.

...go back to your happy place, Yoji. Cat-eared soldier girls in snow... Cat-eared soldier girls in snow...
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 01:34:03 PM »

See, this is where I think a little dissonance arises.

For some reason people have come to associate tazers with excessive force, something going beyond throwing a person to the ground and holding them.  Tazers are supposed to be the alternative to pure brute force.  Their purpose is to introduce enough temporary pain to stop a person from trying to resist without causing any permanent damage.  It's extremely unpleasant, but should be far preferable to having a large person tackle and hold you down.

They get a bad rap for being fatal in rare cases, usually ones where forcible restraint would probably be better but still cause serious injuries.  They get an even worse rap for being used a lot in cases where it actually is completely unnecessary.  That's pretty understandable.  You take a person who is in constant danger of a person trying to hurt them, tell them they can not hurt that person back in any way, and then give them something saying "Here this will stop them immediately and is mostly safe," and yeah they're going to want to fire that thing off as soon as they can.  They shouldn't, though, especially when the suspect isn't even going to do anything.  There are tons of valid cases of this.

In this case the officer in question was not only being actively attacked, he had already been injured.  In the fucking nuts.  At this point the tazer was the least violent solution, really honestly.

It might be that the cop had no business trying to restrain her in the first place, okay fine.  There's no context supplied there, and I respect the police enough - even in Arkansas - to assume that they're not going to start grabbing children until that child is a clear and present danger to somebody.  And really, I have a hard time believing she wasn't.

Thread split.  Could have sworn we had this one already, but maybe that was on Pyoko.
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Re: Don't Taze Me, Bro
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 01:45:31 PM »

You're overlooking one thing: Barring extremely bizarre circumstances. Uness this kid is secretly from Krypton, she had already done the most damaging thing to the cop that she possibly could.

It's the officer who is in the position of power. Not a little girl, no matter how violent. 

Also, I'm pretty sure you're right that we used to have a thread with this same name. Can't find it either. Maybe it was jailed or something?
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Re: Don't Taze Me, Bro
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 01:47:32 PM »

For some reason people have come to associate tazers with excessive force, something going beyond throwing a person to the ground and holding them.  Tazers are supposed to be the alternative to pure brute force.  Their purpose is to introduce enough temporary pain to stop a person from trying to resist without causing any permanent damage.  It's extremely unpleasant, but should be far preferable to having a large person tackle and hold you down.

Thing is, no, they're not.  They're used as a compliance tool, as an alternative to having someone tackle and bind someone, but they're designed and intended as an alternative to pulling out a gun and shooting someone.  Police basically ignore the instructions of every human rights group, and Taser themselves, every time they use a taser in a situation where lethal force wouldn't be warranted.

The kid was curled up on the floor screaming when the cop got here.  On the basis of that, he tried to arrest her, which is when she started to fight back.  So he tased her, cuffed her, and dragged her to juvie on a bullshit charge.  
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Re: Don't Taze Me, Bro
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 02:02:14 PM »

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"Her mother told me to tase her if I needed to," Bradshaw wrote.

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"My daughter does not deserve to be tased and be treated like an animal," said Medlock, who is divorced from the girl's mother and does not have custody.

I get the distinct feeling that's going to change.
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Re: Don't Taze Me, Bro
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 04:30:12 PM »

Taser is the cops greatest friend next to the "disorderly conduct" law.  It's applicable in any situation!

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Re: Don't Taze Me, Bro
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 07:19:53 PM »

Also, I'm pretty sure you're right that we used to have a thread with this same name. Can't find it either. Maybe it was jailed or something?

Probably after that guy got tasered to death on-camera in the Vancouver Airport.

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