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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2010, 05:41:20 AM »

Is this supposed to be best game or most influential game?  'cause the two lists are very different, and Blizzard only belongs on one of 'em.

I agree, but two things.  First, I think one could make the case that Diablo 2 was the best game of 2000.  For me, at worst it's a three-way tie between that, Jet Grind Radio, and Valkyrie Profile.  Second, though my 2007 game is Odin Sphere, Burning Crusade is definitely on the short list; whatever you think of WoW as a whole, BC's revamping of the game was way too ambitious to have been the across-the-board improvement it turned out to be.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2010, 11:02:46 AM »

I don't think an expansion pack is eligible for any Game of the _ awards.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2010, 10:27:15 AM »

...thinking of my favorite games of the past decade, KotOR's the one that springs to mind that nobody seems to have mentioned yet.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2010, 12:23:52 PM »

I'm just going to skim quickly through a lost of games released in the past 10 years and list out some ones that seem actually influential and/or important without any qualification.

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Phantasy Star Online
John Romero's Daikatana
The Sims
Dragon Warrior VII
Devil May Cry
ICO
Guilty Gear X
Grand Theft Auto III
Dead or Alive 2
Super Smash Bros.: Melee
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Bejeweled
Kingdom Hearts
Metroid Prime
Halo: Combat Evolved
Monster Hunter
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Half-Life 2
DOOM 3
World of Warcraft
Resident Evil 4
Brain Age
Dead Rising
Mario Kart DS
Team Fortress 2
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The problem with games in later years is A) it's hard to judge whether they're going to stand the test of time or not and B) they tend to be crowded out by an avalanche of rereleases.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2010, 01:29:28 PM »

God, I think my favorite game of the decade is Cave Story.  :facepalm:

At least as far as non-competitive games go. "Influential" is fuzzy stuff. But lets try and track this a bit. I'm going to use Kazz's list of possible games as a base, so hopefully I don't forget anything.

2000: Diablo II. Jesus christ how did they put anything else. I can't believe Gamefaqs put Chrono Cross, which it seems most people don't like or haven't played. Every year there are diablo II clones. I know a ton of people here got Torchlight. Guildwars is practically an 'mmo' (snrk) based on D2 and after 10 years, the Diablo brand has not diminished.

Deus Ex also seemed potentially influential, but at the same time no one needs help slapping RPG elements on every genre ever.

Also the sims. Your girlfriend is playing a videogame? GASP

2001: GTA3 influenced a lot. This just pushed the whole sandbox cancer we see in every game before it. All similar games before GTA3 were garbage. Halo is a tossup. On one hand, it's made a lot of money and spawned imitators, and on the other hand it's a goldeneye clone with aliens, an FPS on console  (how unique!) and basically didn't do anything partially interesting. What it DID do though was somehow get really popular and make the xbox legitimate. I guess it also made every FPS ever on consoles to have netplay? Maybe? It might be less influential and more 'the right game at the right time'. Anyways.

2002: Again, Kazz is right. War III. And not even because of War III (like Kazz said too). Now we're getting all these DOTA clones released... Also every tower defense game ever.

Also Animal Crossing. Now your girlfriend plays two games.


2003: Prince of Persia. The start of all that free running BS. KOTOR came out and was good I guess, but it really didn't influence anything! A lot of fun games ever came out in 2003, but none of them particularly important.

2004: WoW. Not only did this destroy most of my friends, but now their girlfriends were back to only playing one game... but mostly out of neglect. :|

Next? Half Life 2. On one hand it's just another FPS (abeit a good one), but it also spawns a fresh mod community, gives us a new engine, legitimizes steam and is pretty much just solid. 

2005: Guitar Hero. Girlfriend is back up to 2 games (but only when company is around). Now your parents play! Never successfully imitated (Rockband doesn't quite count since it's the same people, different company), it has had only mild influence on games, but had huge cultural impacts.

God of War is sorta a big deal. Thematic battles and ridiculous presentation mixed with solid, but classic gameplay. This has a huge cinematic influence on future games.

SoTC comes out, gamers are impressed, and no one else notices or cares.   :humpf: Game "everyone wishes was influential". Also geometry wars comes out and gives 360 owners something to play until something decent comes out.

2006: Wii Sports. Lets all vomit in our mouths a bit. How many people own a Wii AND JUST THING? And they STILL PLAY IT. Also it has spawned ENDLESS SHOVELWARE. It has even made Nintendo make shovelware! SDFADF@#$@#@F@#

Some good games were also released that didn't influence anything ever.

2007: Peggle. Let everyone but your girlfriends vomit. Now they have a ton of games. You also play it too, secretly at night when no one can judge you.

TF2 is a bit too general. The Orange Box. The best deal in the history of gaming ever, that basically flat out said "PC gaming is not dead". Mass Effect comes out and manages not to influence anything  despite being good (No one seems to try and be Bioware? Same seems to go with Besthesda, but thats a different story!). Call of Duty 4 did like, something. It was a big deal for a lot of reasons I cannot exactly pin down.

2008: Oh god this is getting to close to now. Wii Fit. Most second sellingest game ever, outside that thing that game with your second wiimote. Lets all just be disgusted. This is the second game your uncle owns, outside of wii sports.

2009 and 2010 are silly to do right now obviously.



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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2010, 03:46:08 PM »

2000: Diablo II. Jesus christ how did they put anything else.

Diablo II simply does not have that many people trying to ape it, even though it may seem like it at times because the ones who do do it so fucking obviously.  But yeah, the click-n-slash item-fetish genre is kind of a niche made up of Diablo, Diablo II, and a few games that may as well be named "Deablo" or something.  What few ideas are actively drawn from the series are better attributed to the original anyway.

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Deus Ex also seemed potentially influential, but at the same time no one needs help slapping RPG elements on every genre ever.

Deus Ex may or may not have been the inspiration for some things but System Shock 2 is the definitive FPSRPG.

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Halo is a tossup. On one hand, it's made a lot of money and spawned imitators, and on the other hand it's a goldeneye clone with aliens, an FPS on console  (how unique!) and basically didn't do anything partially interesting. What it DID do though was somehow get really popular and make the xbox legitimate.

Right idea, but replace "X-Box" with "console FPSes", which has since built to the point where it's a main battleground of ideological warfare today.

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2002: Again, Kazz is right. War III. And not even because of War III (like Kazz said too). Now we're getting all these DOTA clones released... Also every tower defense game ever.

Yeah, this.  War III is War II (a legitimately influential game) with polygons.  DoTA was groundbreaking.

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Half Life 2 ... legitimizes steam

I'd say this is the only reason HL2 is important but then I remembered physics.  So yeah, Steam and physics.

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2005: Guitar Hero.

How did I miss this.

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God of War is sorta a big deal.

I still can't decide if it's really a big deal in its own right or if it's just a clone of Devil May Cry.  Because it's just a clone of Devil May Cry.

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2006: Wii Sports.

Wii * is kind of a dead fad now, so meh.  It puts Nintendo in an awkward position of crawling back to a base it had left behind in order to try to tap a notoriously fickle market, while weighed down with a bevy of gadgets not exactly suited to it.  But we got Punch-Out! and New Super Mario Bros. Wii out of that deal, so it's not all bad.

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TF2 is a bit too general. The Orange Box.

I'm not sure that you understand what "general" means.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2010, 04:12:46 PM »

I don't think I know what general means either! Man that was dumb, sorry.

Anyways console FPSs have been legit since Goldeneye. Halo didn't change that at all. PC guys still think their shitty and console guys still don't know what the big deal is.

I also can't believe I forgot how big a deal the gravity gun was. There are so many games that came out within a year that are jus hilarious ripoffs of the concept.

As for God of War, yeah it rips on DMC but it gets the epic ridiculousness better then DMC. God Of War doesn't innovate in the gameplay department so much as it innovated the "do awesome epic shit". I'd say bayonetta is pretty fucking awesome because it takes what the DMC guy knew about making ridiculously awesome beat'em ups and mixed in God of Wars presentation.

As for the Wii, it's dead for gamers, but it still has a huge cultural influence. That can't be ignored.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2010, 06:06:05 PM »

Yeah God of War is sort of like gaming's That's Not a Knife moment for the past decade.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2010, 06:11:08 PM »

Anyways console FPSs have been legit since Goldeneye. Halo didn't change that at all.

Well it did to the right people, i.e. the developers.  Even after the success of GoldenEye FPS developers didn't really look at consoles and say "We can develop mainly for those and still make an assload of money!"  After Halo, they did.  Boy did they ever.

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As for God of War, yeah it rips on DMC but it gets the epic ridiculousness better then DMC.

You are comparing against a game where the main character acquires weapons by letting them fatally stab him and then pulling himself up through the grip and pommel*, but yes you are still right.

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As for the Wii, it's dead for gamers, but it still has a huge cultural influence. That can't be ignored.

No I'm actually arguing the opposite.  I don't think "non-gamer adults" are interested in playing with the thing any more, and I don't see them being so for a very long time.  Big N is starting to gravitate back to the middle ground between "casual" and "hardcore" (uhhh... softcore?) that they've historically inhabited, and they're just working with the Wii's limitations until they've established a new new gimmick.

* I always summarize my feelings about DMC3 by pointing out the opening cutscene in which Dante takes clearly more damage than he's able to in-game, but Alaster did sort of sort the precedent for that bullshit.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2010, 06:16:09 PM »

Also my main problem with God of War is that the whole thing kind of peaks at the tutorial boss.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2010, 06:26:18 PM »

Planescape: Torment gets honorable mention because it missed Game of the Decade by about 3 weeks :(

I'm also not including MMORPGs because the amount of time I've sunk into FFXI and WoW would unfairly prejudice the results

2000 - Valkyrie Profile
2001 - GTA3
2002 - Gitaroo Man
2003 - Final Fantasy X-2 (fuck you this game is amazing)
2004 - Katamari Damacy
2005 - Shadow of the Colossus (honorable mention to Shadow Hearts: Covenant but that requires too much context to appreciate to really be considered a great game)
2006 - Gears of War
2007 - Persona 3
2008 - Mass Effect
2009 - FF: Dissidia
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2010, 09:56:55 PM »

No I'm actually arguing the opposite.  I don't think "non-gamer adults" are interested in playing with the thing any more, and I don't see them being so for a very long time.

Just yesterday I overheard my two middle-aged coworkers talking about playing Wii Fit so I think you're wrong.

See, I can make claims based completely on anecdotal evidence too.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2010, 09:59:01 PM »

Unless you're doing your impersonation of Thad, you're kind of fucking insane.  I didn't even present any evidence at all.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2010, 11:18:46 PM »

Wii * is kind of a dead fad now, so meh.

3.81 million Wiis sold in December.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2010, 11:54:43 PM »

the kind of people who still play Wii are the kind of people that we, the nerdcore generation, do not associate with
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2010, 12:15:20 AM »

Unless you're doing your impersonation of Thad, you're kind of fucking insane.  I didn't even present any evidence at all.

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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2010, 01:03:10 AM »

In my list, replaced Siren 2 with God Hand. Not sure what I was thinking.
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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2010, 01:11:41 AM »

Unless you're doing your impersonation of Thad, you're kind of fucking insane.

That's a false choice.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2010, 04:31:43 AM »

I personally think Diablo 2 is right up there with Street Fighter 2 in terms of its Actual Quality to Dudes Telling You It Is the Best Shit Ever ratio.

2000: It's kind of hard to decide between Perfect Dark, Final Fantasy IX, Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia.  A roll of a d4 says FFIX wins.

2001: PSO hands down.

2002: Resident Evil 1 Remake.

2003: Jak 2.

2004: Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.

2005: God of War and Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction.

2006: Dead Rising.

2007: Uncharted.

2008: Condemned 2 and Valkyria Chronicles.

2009: Bionic Commando.  F'reals.
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Re: Games of the Aughts
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2010, 10:24:53 AM »

the kind of people who still play Wii are the kind of people that we, the nerdcore generation, do not associate with

 :wat:

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