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[Thad]

You could also look at the overlap of support for anti-abortion laws with support for the death penalty and a hatred of "socialized" medicine, welfare, employment programs, and public education.  Basically all these people give a shit about being "pro-life" for are unborn children.  Once that child is out of the womb it's a free-for-all of death and bloodshed.

Unless she's on life support!

Related: Victoria Jackson's insane rantings about how the real reason Democrats want healthcare is so they can kill your grandmother.

...what the fuck is wrong with the supporting cast of UHF, anyway?

[Catloaf]

Then why didn't the articles just read "Ireland Criminalizes Religious hate speech"?!

Blasphemy is badmouthing anything holy, but they're just outlawing trolling based on religious beliefs.

And trolling on a large scale about anything should hold some sort of fine.

Hahaha what? No, religion should never ever be covered under anything resembling hate speech laws. It is a choice, unlike race. It'd be like banning the trolling of liberals or something. This is stupid and probably violates some EU human rights law.

Point taken.  I stand firm on the fine for general trolling, however.

You could also look at the overlap of support for anti-abortion laws with support for the death penalty and a hatred of "socialized" medicine, welfare, employment programs, and public education.  Basically all these people give a shit about being "pro-life" for are unborn children.  Once that child is out of the womb it's a free-for-all of death and bloodshed.

Unless she's rich and on life support!

Related: Victoria Jackson's insane rantings about how the real reason Democrats want healthcare is so they can kill your grandmother.

...what the fuck is wrong with the supporting cast of UHF, anyway?

So now it's socialism that destroys the middle class?  And what government is she referring to that was an evil socialist state?  Communist, Fascist, Oligarchical , etc. I get, but not socialist.

And how is a large group of people being concerned about the poor and the sick such a fucking impossibility to the bitch!?  Is it based on knowledge of the happenings on the other side with greedy millionaires and corrupt religious figures?  One might not agree with the method, but that doesn't merit the labeling of the other political party as universally evil.
I don't think all conservatives are evil, I just think they're a hindrance to progress towards a better society.  And I have evidence that a large portion of their leaders are disgusting evil bastards.

[Royal☭]

Victoria Jackson's insane rantings...

...what the fuck is wrong with the supporting cast of UHF, anyway?

You know, watching the video, that woman is scary not just because of her views, but because she is 50 and still dresses and acts like a 13 year old.  She is truly frightening to behold.

As far as fear of socialism, this seems to be because even in schools it's still automatically taught that "socialism = bad".  It's simply written off with a "it could never work, and is equivalent to fascism" with truly wretched examples given.  There's never any real debate on it, so it simply becomes a boogeyman.  You say "socialism", and people are supposed to get scared.

And how is a large group of people being concerned about the poor and the sick such a fucking impossibility to the bitch!?  Is it based on knowledge of the happenings on the other side with greedy millionaires and corrupt religious figures?

I worked with a guy who was convinced that global warming was a scam cooked up by entrepreneurs and environmental activist who wanted to use it as an excuse to break down democracy and institute a liberal totalitarianism.  When confronted with why it would be a bunch of poor, dedicated activist who would wanted to spread lies and control people versus a vast network of rich CEOs and businesses that would stand to profit from global warming denial, his only response was that the media was covering up the truth, and that "hundreds of scientists" had gone before congress and testified against global warming but nobody knew!

tl;dr people are crackpots.

[Lady Duke]

Really?  Well I'm glad male fucking midwives know better than women.

THAD EDIT: Article is titled "Midwife tells pregnant women to take the pain"; opening sentence is "WOMEN should embrace the full pain of childbirth to bond with their babies instead of resorting to anaesthetic drugs, a leading male midwife has said."

[The Artist Formerly Known As Yoji]

Yo! Can I get annoda sexist pig ova 'ere?

EDIT:

[Kazz]

annuda, dude

[Fredward]

Uh, what? This guy sounds like he's being pretty reasonable. It's not like he's calling for a ban on epidurals, just for people to rethink them.

Oh right, this is Real World. People aren't allowed to have the wrong opinion in here.

[Royal☭]

I think it has more to do with the douchebaggery of a MAN telling women they must suffer extraordinary pain or they will be bad mothers.

Oh silly me, mocking another person's opinion again.

[TA]

Sounds more like standard midwife retardation.  You get that exact same shit out of the female ones.

[Fredward]

I prefer not to look at the world as a constantly shifting battleground of the war of the sexes. Rather, I'd like to pretend that this guy might be a decent human being that thinks that today's society is too much focused on avoiding any kind of pain, and does itself harm through this pursuit.

Admittedly, I am probably wrong. This usually turns out to be the case when I assume the best of people! Oh well.

[Kazz]

If you take the rosiest possible interpretation of his meaning and ignore the actual words he spoke, yeah, he has a respectable point.

[Lady Duke]

Saying that birthing pain is essential to bonding is not reasonable.  

[Fredward]

If you take the rosiest possible interpretation of his meaning and ignore the actual words he spoke, yeah, he has a respectable point.

Let's go through the words he spoke, shall we?

UK professor Dr Denis Walsh  said the pain of labour should be considered a "rite of passage" and a "purposeful, useful thing".

Hard to judge without context, but nothing particularly offensive.

Dr Walsh said the "epidural epidemic" sweeping maternity units should be abandoned in favour of a "working with pain" approach.

Journalists love their mini quotes. Again, no context, but what he says certainly doesn't seem outrageous.

"A large number of women want to avoid pain, but more should be prepared to withstand it," he said.

More. Not "all", but "more". He hasn't gone off the deep end yet.

"Pain in labour is a purposeful, useful thing which has a number of benefits, such as preparing a mother for the responsibility of nurturing a newborn baby."

This is probably where you guys take issue, right? But he's hardly saying the pain is essential, just that it has "benefits".

He said celebrity births and TV and film portrayals had contributed to a culture of pain relief as normal - even though labour pain was natural, healthy and temporary.  "It has never been safer to have a baby, yet it appears women have never been more frightened," he said.

That's pretty much the interpretation I put on it.

Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists president Dr Ted Weaver said some women benefited from triumphing over the struggle of childbirth.
[...]
"If a woman does get one-on-one maternity care from a midwife she is less likely to need an epidural," he said.  "Maybe our maternity system does need to change a bit to allow that to happen.

And look! He's even got some backing from real live doctors!

Now, nowhere in there did he say that women who get epidurals are bad mothers. That seems to be a strawman set up, in the article itself, by his detractors. I don't necessarily agree with the guy, but I think you guys are stringing him up without much of a trial.

Anyways, I'm not going to get embroiled in a multi-page Real World debate, so that is my last word on that.

[Brentai]

Look, he can say that after he shits a bowling ball, but until then he doesn't know what he's actually talking about and in fact has no frame of reference to even imagine it.  Really, none.  For all we men will ever know, it's not actually that bad and women are just whiny.  But that's not really a bet I'm willing to put money on.

There's also the fact that the most common injury incurred during labor is spinal dislocation caused by thrashing around too much.  You know, the kind of thing that might somehow be easily avoided by a now-common procedure.

[Kazz]

"Pain in labour is a purposeful, useful thing which has a number of benefits, such as preparing a mother for the responsibility of nurturing a newborn baby."

This is probably where you guys take issue, right? But he's hardly saying the pain is essential, just that it has "benefits".

Implying that the women who use pain killers during childbirth become worse mothers.

You're right about this claim being where I take issue, because it's a batshit insane thing to say or think.

[Doom]

"Pain in labour is a purposeful, useful thing which has a number of benefits, such as preparing a mother for the responsibility of nurturing a newborn baby."

This is probably where you guys take issue, right? But he's hardly saying the pain is essential, just that it has "benefits".

Feel free to name one of those "benefits" without implying that raising a child is some sort of painful, hellish experience. Dude fucked up. Dude used words improperly.

[Cthulhu-chan]

If there's research to back up his words, fine.  If not, he's an ass.  Can we leave it at that?

[Fortinbras]

wait, "if he's right I agree with him but if not he is a douchebag"?  naw, that is a pretty terrible place to leave it at.

he talks about wanting to avoid pain like we're retarded for it.  this stuff reminds me of dads who are assholes to their kids because it'll toughen them up for when they're living in the real world.

labor pain is natural but so is sleeping outdoors and not having airplanes exist.

[Cthulhu-chan]

I didn't say I necessarily agreed.  Fuck, I'd go for the narcotics in either case.  I wouldn't saddle myself with crotchfruit to begin with, though.

[Classic]

... Without context it sounds like you just confessed to not having any male genitalia.

As someone born through Cesarean Section (you're fucked now Macbeth), I'm pretty sold on the usefulness of anesthetic during the "delivery".