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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1541 on: October 22, 2009, 07:41:56 PM »

Yes, those with money and power use it to manipulate the system for their own gain.  This isn't dramatically different from the courts, where straight-up legal costs prevent you from maintaining litigation against a major corporation through discovery, let alone through a trial and subsequent appeals process.

This is, again, with the point that ADR is much better suited to a contract dispute than a tort.

Excuse my silence.  Two midterms out of the way, i digress..

Alternative Dispute Resolution is something that the Canadian forces adopted about five years ago as a way of solving redresses of grievance (the process for saying you're being fucked over, enshrined in the national defense act)  and was developed by subject matter experts, and taught down to multiple levels down to the junior leader (IE me), and the shit works wonders between bad blood, not to mention gives a junior soldier a better idea of why he's being fucked over. 

It was used as a cost-saving measure, and a way to slow down the pace of the redresses which were clogging the paper channels.  So far, it is working. 

ADR in the Canadian Forces is voluntary, but only touches bad blood between individuals, regardless of rank or difference of rank, and mediation sessions with ADR experts internal to the CF are available on the agreement of consenting parties.  Sometimes a little pressure outside the chain helps on the other party, but in the end that's alright because ADR is never used as a mechanism to prove who is 'right' and who is 'wrong', but instead give an idea of 'why' things got that way including the thought patterns of all parties. 

It's effective, and I love it for what it does.  It's voluntary, and if it doesn't work, you can still redress as your whim. 

However, what ADR isn't for is anything that could be covered under the criminal code.  That's when the police should step in.

In the case of Haliburton and rape, fuck yeah -> but one of my biggest points is that they're only stopping at military contractors. 

There are other places where people get contracted, home and abroad where local laws become more grey.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1542 on: October 22, 2009, 07:47:41 PM »

Yes, those with money and power use it to manipulate the system for their own gain.  This isn't dramatically different from the courts, where straight-up legal costs prevent you from maintaining litigation against a major corporation through discovery, let alone through a trial and subsequent appeals process.

This is, again, with the point that ADR is much better suited to a contract dispute than a tort.

Excuse my silence.  Two midterms out of the way, i digress..

Alternative Dispute Resolution is something that the Canadian forces adopted about five years ago as a way of solving redresses of grievance (the process for saying you're being fucked over, enshrined in the national defense act)  and was developed by subject matter experts, and taught down to multiple levels down to the junior leader (IE me), and the shit works wonders between bad blood, not to mention gives a junior soldier a better idea of why he's being fucked over. 

It was used as a cost-saving measure, and a way to slow down the pace of the redresses which were clogging the paper channels.  So far, it is working. 

ADR in the Canadian Forces is voluntary, but only touches bad blood between individuals, regardless of rank or difference of rank, and mediation sessions with ADR experts internal to the CF are available on the agreement of consenting parties.  Sometimes a little pressure outside the chain helps on the other party, but in the end that's alright because ADR is never used as a mechanism to prove who is 'right' and who is 'wrong', but instead give an idea of 'why' things got that way including the thought patterns of all parties. 

It's effective, and I love it for what it does.  It's voluntary, and if it doesn't work, you can still redress as your whim. 

However, what ADR isn't for is anything that could be covered under the criminal code.  That's when the police should step in.

In the case of Haliburton and rape, fuck yeah -> but one of my biggest points is that they're only stopping at military contractors. 

There are other places where people get contracted, home and abroad where local laws become more grey.

This is a lot clearer (and something I can get on board with) than your posts a day or two ago in this thread.

I'll blame studying.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1543 on: October 22, 2009, 08:29:02 PM »

Also trying to post arguments from an iPod is always a losing proposition...

Apologies there..
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1544 on: October 22, 2009, 08:43:50 PM »

Also trying to post arguments from an iPod is always a losing proposition...

Apologies there..

Wait... not even an iphone? *remembers you don't have one* Oh riiiiiight.

Oh dear.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1546 on: October 25, 2009, 11:53:50 AM »

How uncommonly sensible.

Of course, I live in California, which is busy tearing itself apart because the state is totally broke and powerless to increase revenue by any means other than cutting the budget of everything that doesn't have huge political clout or voter-mandated budget minimums.

My archaeology of North America professor is working a second job on her unpaid furlough days so she can send her kids to college in another state.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1547 on: October 25, 2009, 12:26:32 PM »

So, how hard would it be for California's state government to pass a bill allowing it to raise taxes?

Because if it's at all possible, they really should be trying to do something like that.  Actually, I think most state governments should be increasing taxes.

And the idiots in Congress should raise taxes on the upper 1% while they have the power to.  I don't care what the party of NO says as they live in Bizzaro world where FOX news is actually reports some facts, 1% of the population having more money than they know what to do with like they do now doesn't help anyone or anything but that same 1%.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1548 on: October 25, 2009, 12:29:30 PM »

For a functional state, it wouldn't be that big a deal.  For California, it's easier just to go endure an hour of nails on chalkboard - no scratch that, a week....

..Or did you miss the spectacle of the last budget?
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1549 on: October 25, 2009, 12:39:05 PM »

Basically in order to increase taxes around here you'd have to convince a population of notoriously selfish people with a 12.2% unemployment rate to vote on giving the state more money.  Kind of not happening.

It turns out, direct democracy actually pretty much blows.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1550 on: October 25, 2009, 12:44:53 PM »

Lets not forget the state electoral districts and how they were positioned to ensure a continued victory for one particular party...
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1551 on: October 25, 2009, 12:47:48 PM »

Representative democracy is only better in the sense that the trains at least run on time.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1552 on: October 25, 2009, 01:20:08 PM »

Democracy is a fucking terrible form of government. I switched to fundamentalism a long time ago. Sure, it cuts your science in half, but you can always take needed advancements from conquered cities, so.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1553 on: October 25, 2009, 01:20:58 PM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1554 on: October 25, 2009, 01:40:40 PM »

I drank three bottles of water while reading that.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1555 on: October 26, 2009, 12:40:08 AM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1556 on: October 26, 2009, 02:02:25 AM »

But on a more positive note involving California, there looks to be the beginning of first consensus-based solution to a growing theme of conflict in the 21st Century:  Water.

For some reason i see the population voting for some immensely wasteful (HURR WHAT DO YOU MEAN BOLTS DONT COST $200 EACH) desalinization project
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1557 on: October 26, 2009, 07:23:59 AM »

DAMN IT, TEXAS, KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF.  SERIOUSLY.

Niku, can you eliminate the problem?
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1558 on: October 26, 2009, 07:36:06 AM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #1559 on: October 26, 2009, 07:38:31 AM »

:serious:
too soon
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