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Author Topic: What the fuck?  (Read 316024 times)

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2720 on: May 03, 2011, 09:19:42 PM »
I hate you, Texas.

Girl fined $45,000 after refusing to cheer for basketball player who sexually assaulted her

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Richard Bain, the school superintendent in the sport-obsessed small town, saw things differently. He told HS to leave the gymnasium. Outside, he told her she was required to cheer for Bolton. When the girl said she was unwilling to endorse a man who had sexually assaulted her, she was expelled from the cheerleading squad.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2721 on: May 04, 2011, 05:27:51 AM »
Okay, I can understand kicking her off the team for not cheering at a school event.

But fining her?  Fuck you, Texas.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2722 on: May 04, 2011, 05:39:46 AM »
Wow. Yeah see. The problem with calling myself a pacifist is the amount of rage shit like this brings out in me.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2723 on: May 04, 2011, 08:16:10 AM »
Fake "pro-gay" election leaflets distributed to Muslim households in Leicester, UK

Between this and all the disingenuous shit-slinging over the Alternative Vote referendum, right about now is probably the point Britain loses all interest in democracy.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2724 on: May 04, 2011, 08:56:06 AM »
Quote from: McDohl on May 04, 2011, 05:27:51 AM
Okay, I can understand kicking her off the team for not cheering at a school event.

But fining her?  Fuck you, Texas.

The fine wasn't for refusing to cheer.  The fine was for frivolously suing the school district for having kicked her off the team, to reimburse them for the legal expenses incurred defending against her ridiculous lawsuit.  Makes a little more sense when all the facts are at play.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2725 on: May 04, 2011, 11:06:04 AM »
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2726 on: May 04, 2011, 11:41:31 AM »
Gaiman is "pencil necked"? What the fuck?

Well, I'll be referring to "Matt Dean" as Mr. Beady Eyed and Chinless.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2727 on: May 04, 2011, 06:02:04 PM »
  Update, the guy got yelled at by his mom and said he was sorry for the pencil-necked part. :lol:
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2728 on: May 04, 2011, 06:33:21 PM »
Quote from: TA on May 04, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
The fine wasn't for refusing to cheer.  The fine was for frivolously suing the school district that attempted to force her to cheer on her rapist

Frivolous!
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2729 on: May 04, 2011, 07:51:09 PM »
Either you cheer for the team or you don't be a cheerleader.  Doesn't matter why she refused to cheer, all that matters is that she refused to, so they kicked her off the cheer squad.  School was perfectly within its rights to do that.  Suing the school and costing them tens of thousands of dollars, claiming this is a free speech violation, is frivolous.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2730 on: May 04, 2011, 07:55:47 PM »
Or, you know, they could have kicked the student who attempted to rape her off the basketball team.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2731 on: May 04, 2011, 08:04:53 PM »
Welcome to Texas Sports.

Hell, I think if he'd murdered her, chopped the body up, and then got off on a technicality they'd still not kick him off.

Now if he said on live TV that he preferred another school's sports, he'd be dead before dawn.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2732 on: May 04, 2011, 11:40:05 PM »
And now for your daily dose of Florida:
Deaf men stabbed after ASL mistaken for gang signs

Woman arrested for hiding knives in her vagina and between her rolls of fat. Also, pills.

Man, I'd rather move back to Texas than be forced into Florida after seeing a lot of consistently stupid things happen there.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2733 on: May 05, 2011, 01:34:33 PM »
Quote from: TA on May 04, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
Quote from: McDohl on May 04, 2011, 05:27:51 AM
Okay, I can understand kicking her off the team for not cheering at a school event.

But fining her?  Fuck you, Texas.

The fine wasn't for refusing to cheer.  The fine was for frivolously suing the school district for having kicked her off the team, to reimburse them for the legal expenses incurred defending against her ridiculous lawsuit.  Makes a little more sense when all the facts are at play.

BE THAT AS IT MAY I still find it a bit hard to characterize the suit as "frivolous", whether or not she should have won it.  The most astonishing thing to me is that the school doubled down and went to court to defend such a weird position to begin with, even if it turns out they were technically right to do so.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2734 on: May 05, 2011, 01:37:51 PM »
you are a lawyer you know what a frivolous claim is
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2735 on: May 05, 2011, 01:41:51 PM »
tl;dr they are legally in the right and morally in the very, very wrong.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2736 on: May 05, 2011, 01:43:29 PM »
Alternately: they're legally in the right, and morally on the right.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2737 on: May 05, 2011, 02:19:20 PM »
Quote from: TA on May 05, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
you are a lawyer you know what a frivolous claim is

yes, and he's disagreeing with it being called that
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2738 on: May 05, 2011, 02:27:14 PM »
Quote from: TA on May 05, 2011, 01:37:51 PM
you are a lawyer you know what a frivolous claim is

a frivolous claim is basically what the judge decides it is, iirc

it is not, however, simply a claim that fails on its merits, so unless HS was filing this simply to fuck with the school board per the "groundless" requirement for Chapter 9 Sanctions under Texas's CPRC, and not, you know, as a good faith effort to extend the law to protect women from having to cheer on their rapists in public fora, this does not strike me as especially frivolous!
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #2739 on: May 05, 2011, 05:34:17 PM »
The school can't punish a student (the alleged rapist) without evidence; it is, however, obligated to provide a safe and comfortable environment to the victim.  Assuming the girl wasn't requesting an opportunity to actually publicly shame her attacker at ballgames, a sympathetic cheer coach could have found a compromise rather than kicking her off the squad outright.

There are people to appeal to all up through the school system before resorting to legal action; I don't know the details of the story but I'm curious whether she and her family exhausted those options first.  This being Texas, it's entirely possible they complained all the way up the chain and still received no support; in that case I can certainly see some ethical justification for going to court, even if I can also see why the judge found in the school's favor.
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