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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3460 on: December 11, 2012, 07:27:56 PM »

A guy just went on a shooting spree in a mall in oregon, the governor of Michigan just passed right to work, and we're about to drive off the fiscal cliff at full speed because neither Obama nor Boehner on budging on whether or not rich people should have to give up an infinitesimal amount of their income.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3461 on: December 11, 2012, 07:30:07 PM »

A guy just went on a shooting spree in a mall in oregon,

You forgot the bonus synergy with Illinois declaring that public firearms are a god-given right.

That boy's exercising his freedom to the fullest.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3462 on: December 11, 2012, 07:34:05 PM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3463 on: December 11, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

Man am I jaded. I saw all that, but it looks like a completely normal news day to me. Even the North Korean stuff doesn't seem THAT much worse than normal.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3464 on: December 11, 2012, 08:53:00 PM »

we're about to drive off the fiscal cliff at full speed

I, too, have a Tom Tomorrow cartoon to share.

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3465 on: December 11, 2012, 09:30:17 PM »

The problem with that reasoning is that it ignores the possibility of the fiscal cliff creating itself.  What would have been a temporary and, let's face it, kind of necessary two-way candle burn has been so oversold as the beginning of the Weimar economy that every financial institution in the world has its red pens out for us in case we can't demonstrate that our government can stop trying to sabotage itself long enough to work out a solution, any solution.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3466 on: December 11, 2012, 09:42:00 PM »

It's not like it matters. Government debt is not like personal debt. Again, the entire fiscal cliff argument is not about some great economic danger. It's about convincing you and Serious People™ that there is a real economic danger so you'll stomach whatever austerity measures they push through. And why? So that we can add another layer of gilding to this new gilded age.

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3467 on: December 11, 2012, 09:56:30 PM »

The problem with that reasoning is that it ignores the possibility of the fiscal cliff creating itself.  What would have been a temporary and, let's face it, kind of necessary two-way candle burn has been so oversold as the beginning of the Weimar economy that every financial institution in the world has its red pens out for us in case we can't demonstrate that our government can stop trying to sabotage itself long enough to work out a solution, any solution.

Basically this. It's a non-event that threatens to become a real event on the basis of stupid hype alone. And yes, that does suit the agenda of the Tea-party types just fine.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3468 on: December 11, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »

The problem with that reasoning is that it ignores the possibility of the fiscal cliff creating itself.  What would have been a temporary and, let's face it, kind of necessary two-way candle burn has been so oversold as the beginning of the Weimar economy that every financial institution in the world has its red pens out for us in case we can't demonstrate that our government can stop trying to sabotage itself long enough to work out a solution, any solution.

Depends who we're talking about here.  I'm sure there are more foreign agencies who'd be thrilled to downgrade the US credit rating again for any damn excuse they can find.

If we're talking about Wall Street firms, on the other hand?  Well, they're not so keen on doing stupid, reckless things that destabilize the world economy if it also means they hurt their chances to get a bailout from Uncle Sam.

I can definitely see some market volatility, like we got the last time they went through this song and dance.  Maybe worse.  But I don't see it hitting anything like 2007 crash levels of badness, no matter how many falling-to-your-death-armageddon metaphors the politicians and pundits flog.

Again, the entire fiscal cliff argument is not about some great economic danger. It's about convincing you and Serious People™ that there is a real economic danger so you'll stomach whatever austerity measures they push through. And why? So that we can add another layer of gilding to this new gilded age.

That too.  We know where this is all heading -- the Republicans are going to make a big show of fighting until the last minute, and then give in on the tax increase, while the Democrats are going to cut the social safety net, call it a necessary sacrifice, and act like it's a huge victory.

Precisely WHEN the Republicans stop fighting and accept a tax increase is going to largely depend on how much of a fight the Tea Partiers in the House put up.  I think the leadership would like to have this settled before the deadline, and Boehner's kicked some asses to try and show the Tea Partiers he means business this time.  But it's possible the House Tea Partiers will drag it past the deadline and provoke a massive public opinion backlash, which will still eventually result in them backing off and accepting a tax increase.  I can picture it playing out a lot like the government shutdown of 1995, except in this case the leadership is actually trying frantically to PREVENT the craziest elements of the party to drive it into a ditch.

And of course whatever tax increase passes, it'll have some brand new loopholes and concessions to the 1% somewhere in it.

And yes, that does suit the agenda of the Tea-party types just fine.

Except for the part where they all take the blame and set themselves up to lose their seats in 2 years and their committee memberships a lot sooner than that.

If this thing goes south, the Republicans get the blame.  That's a pretty consistent message across all the polls.  And the leadership knows it and is prepared to make life difficult for anyone who doesn't fall in line.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3469 on: December 11, 2012, 10:14:04 PM »

Except for the part where they all take the blame and set themselves up to lose their seats in 2 years and their committee memberships a lot sooner than that.

If this thing goes south, the Republicans get the blame.  That's a pretty consistent message across all the polls.  And the leadership knows it and is prepared to make life difficult for anyone who doesn't fall in line.

I'd like to think your reasoning is sound, and to be fair, I can't find any obvious fault with it... but I've learned not to entirely discount this particular stripe of crazy until it's actually locked up in the rubber room.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3470 on: December 12, 2012, 08:17:43 AM »

Well, Tea Partiers elsewhere HAVE shown that they don't care about reelection and just want to wreck up the place as best they can while they have the opportunity.  That explains Wisconsin, and particularly this business in Michigan.

But, following the Taibbi article I linked the other day, Jim DeMint isn't just quitting the Senate because he's going to make a ton more money as a lobbyist, he's also leaving because he sees where this is going and doesn't want to be a part of it.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3471 on: December 12, 2012, 02:11:16 PM »

Doesn't want to be a part of it, or doesn't want to get hit by the train with the other shmucks?
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3472 on: December 12, 2012, 03:55:26 PM »

Way I see it he takes that Grover Norquist shit seriously.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3473 on: December 12, 2012, 05:42:47 PM »

Literalism is pretty much the crux of all of their issues.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3474 on: December 21, 2012, 06:00:16 PM »

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3475 on: December 23, 2012, 12:31:30 AM »

Lottel has this problem a lot, no doubt.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3476 on: December 23, 2012, 09:09:09 AM »

And he isn't even in Iowa.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3477 on: December 23, 2012, 06:16:39 PM »

Holy crap this is priceless

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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3478 on: December 24, 2012, 10:35:18 AM »

Guy starts fire, shoots volunteer firefighters when they show up.  There would be so much wrong with this I wouldn't know where to begin even if it WASN'T Christmas Eve.
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Re: What the fuck?
« Reply #3479 on: December 24, 2012, 12:17:36 PM »

Man, this is now going on several months where we have not gone more than a week without one of these.
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