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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2010, 03:22:25 PM »

i don't give a good god-damn what the law says.  the rapist should be tortured to death over a period of years.  he ignored the woman saying "NO NO STOP" end of story.  that's all i need to hear.

So, I guess it sucks for anyone that actually has a rape fantasy, even if they sign contracts saying "when I say 'no,' I'm just playing along." Obviously in this case you'd be right, but what about the thousands (if not millions) of cases of legitimate role-playing?

Usually people with rape fantasies tell other people about it and then they agree that when she says No she doesn't mean stop, but in this case, the dude was just a giant fuck-up who went and fucked some woman he didn't know, had no inclination to discover if she wanted sex or not, and the fact that he was replying to someone who was the ex of this woman should have been fishy to begin with.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2010, 03:33:32 PM »

Did you even read the story?
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2010, 04:15:24 PM »

Yeah, the point is that he didn't know it was the ex, he thought he was talking to the woman herself; his second biggest mistake was not double checking in person. Brentai actually makes a good point with the anti-sodomy thing when it comes to rape fantasies and catloaf makes even less sense than usual, but I think that's just him misunderstanding things.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2010, 04:20:28 PM »

This is the biggest issue I might have the case.  I want the rapist and the ex-boyfriend to get the maximum that they can while still preserving the right for rape fetishists to still meet and have, uh, consenting rape.  The difference between rape fantasy and real rape is that in that instance 'no' means 'keep going' and 'banana' means 'no'.

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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2010, 05:04:46 PM »

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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2010, 05:20:16 PM »

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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2010, 05:39:04 PM »

Did the rapist go beyond what common sense should dictate in the encounter?  Yes.

Should he be punished for this?  Definitely.

Does the law clearly state that his belief of consent does not constitute any form of consent?  I don't know.

I think that's what TA is arguing: that there's no clear definition of consent that covers this case, so it would be unjust to give the "maximum sentence" to a guy where the law is somewhat unclear.

The law should be made clear for this case (even if it is such a rarity), so in the future we don't have to wonder if the guy is a scumbag.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2010, 05:44:06 PM »

Did the rapist go beyond what common sense should dictate in the encounter?  Yes.

Should he be punished for this?  Definitely.

Does the law clearly state that his belief of consent does not constitute any form of consent?  I don't know.

I think that's what TA is arguing: that there's no clear definition of consent that covers this case, so it would be unjust to give the "maximum sentence" to a guy where the law is somewhat unclear.

The law should be made clear for this case (even if it is such a rarity), so in the future we don't have to wonder if the guy is a scumbag.

The law will be made clear in the form of a precedent, which will be upheld in further cases that are similar to this one.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2010, 08:09:44 AM »

Let me preface what I'm about to say with "I don't think you should blame a rape victim for being raped"

Having said that, the bias in that article is stunning. The definition of rape seems to be 'whatever benefits women the most at any given time' - the best part is this quote;

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"It's ridiculous to think that those things make you responsible for being raped because the responsibility for rape always lies with the man who's doing it, not with the woman and the way she's been behaving."

I don't know what insults me more - that women are free from consequence, or the tacit denial of female perpetrated rape, which is part of the larger problem of feminists denying female perpetrated domestic abuse in all of it's forms. If you listen to these people, the only gender capable of violence is Men.

Looking at the study, it's clear to me that the woman quoted above, who runs the organiziation that commissioned the study, has an axe to grind - the study itself also polled men, but are any of the figures relating to men quoted in the article, or being made public? Signficantly more men stated they wouldn't report rape, and twice as many men said they wouldn't report rape out of fear of societal repercussion. Does this recieve mention at all?

And then there's the more than half of women think other women are to blame for rape - in the case of 'peforming sexual acts, getting into bed with, or getting incredibly drunk'. Every year the definition of what we call rape gets blurrier and blurrier, and we're rapidly reaching the point where if a woman decides, weeks down the road, that she regrets the hookup she had, it's rape! If consent never comes into play, if you didn't make the choices that put you where you were to a reasonable degree, then you absolutely should never be blamed for rape. But if you choose to get drunk, choose to go home with a guy, choose to give him a blow job and get into bed with him, then you're choosing to have sex, whether you feel bad about it afterward or not. To make matters worse, the sobriety of a man in these situations isn't considered seriously - the study attempted to be neutral, but the people who commissioned the studio have clearly axed men from the equation, as have the media reporting on the study in the first place. Once again, both the media and anti-rape organizations paint rape as an act that can only be perpetrated by a man, and require only men to be responsible and consider the consequences of poor decision making.



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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2010, 10:09:48 AM »

Consent is the most important factor in rape. If a person verbally agrees to sex and does not say "stop" at any point during the act, I think we can safely say that rape did not occur. If either party says "no" or "stop" to anything, even while it is occurring, the other person has a responsibility to stop. Also, consent is saying 'yes,' not not saying 'no.' Implied consent is a cop-out.

I don't know what insults me more - that women are free from consequence, or the tacit denial of female perpetrated rape, which is part of the larger problem of feminists denying female perpetrated domestic abuse in all of it's forms. If you listen to these people, the only gender capable of violence is Men.

This is the kind of attitude that is so damaging to feminists. The sort of Valerie Solanas-style anti-men rhetoric that is so polarizing and sensational. It is something that has dogged feminists for over 30 years and won't go away so long as people cling to the stereotype. Yes, there exists female-on-female and female-on-male violence. Feminism is about social and political awareness; eliminating oppression and inequality. Sarah Palin is not bell hooks.

Yes, the author appears to have an agenda. The blame culture exists. No one wants to believe that they can be raped or that they are capable of raping another. This is yet another obfuscating study that makes women out to be 'to blame' for horrible things done to them, because they, god forbid, like to drink alcohol and/or have sex that isn't rape.

Every year the definition of what we call rape gets blurrier and blurrier, and we're rapidly reaching the point where if a woman decides, weeks down the road, that she regrets the hookup she had, it's rape!

Uh... How could this hypothetical woman prove it? I dunno if you've looked around recently, but the justice system we're under seems to really, really not favour the victim in a rape case.

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As you adequately put, the problem is choice.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2010, 10:15:28 AM »

In fairness, if the courts err too much on the side of a victim's word only*, there is a real danger of a vengeful ex's using that as an mechanism for extorsion or outright revenge. This has happened before and will happen again even under the current system.

That's not to say that people shouldn't report if they've been raped, or should give up on justice, just to point out that this is something that usually happens in private between two people, and where physical evidence is not always reliable.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is sometimes very frustrating for a victim who well knows they're in the right, I guess.

*FYI, this is the most important word in the sentence.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2010, 12:06:29 PM »

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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2010, 09:57:30 PM »

female perpetrated rape

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Arousal and physical response do not imply consent. This has been the crux of more than a few rape cases. I don't know about you, but I can get an erection from a stiff wind (if you'll excuse the turn of phrase)

The definition that the organization that commissioned the study used for rape was "being coerced to have sex when you do not wish to have sex". Violence or force is not really implied, so by their standards, getting nagged into laying on your back and recieving is rape. If we go by those standards, I've been raped by a woman before!

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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2010, 12:59:55 PM »

Actually, Shinra, there are those that do in fact consider browbeating and pestering someone into submitting to sex as being a form of rape.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2010, 11:19:16 PM »

The more you water down the definition of what rape is, the less people are going to take it seriously.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2010, 11:27:22 PM »

That, or people will be too afraid to have sex without having signed consent forms in triplicate. Because by all accounts being a registered sex offender really sucks.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2010, 01:13:59 PM »

Well there has to be SOME way to make sex terrifying in this age of free condoms and internet dating.
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2010, 04:53:37 PM »

Sex must be terrifying so that all our nation's sons are the sons of brave men
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Re: Rape Me
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2010, 06:51:40 AM »

Ungodly dressed women are responsible for their own rape.

Not a new concept by any means (blaming the victim), but I find it interesting that in the article, the woman who hands out the pamphlet states that even though "nothing is showing" the girl is still doing something wrong.  So even dressing modestly and covering up your body is provoking rape these days.  What else can one do other than not showing body parts?
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