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Author Topic: Revenge of Queen Broccoli  (Read 14307 times)

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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2010, 08:22:30 PM »

Transportation is voting for Romosome for not having defended himself? That might not be damning, by itself, but you also voted for me and you never voted for Kayma. Romosome is innocent, but I don't think you are.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2010, 08:51:54 PM »

Why is Newbie positive that Romo is innocent?
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2010, 09:29:09 PM »

Because he was the closest to being lynched when Kayma was trying to rush the lynch on him. Why would wolves be trying to rush through a lynch on one of their own?
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2010, 09:35:10 PM »

I don't buy that so easily.

Four wolves can definitely push a lynch along, sure. But in a 12 man game, four wolves can do dick all while seven or eight other people go for a lynch. Kayma was a wolf, yes, but it isn't uncommon for wolves to vote/cast suspicion on their own. Kind of an odd Day 1 gambit, but I really doubt all the wolves piled onto a single innocent so quickly. That's stupid and you should know that.

You're making kind of a strange logical leap here, I think, to just confirm based on Day 1 lynch votes that Romo is an inno.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2010, 09:35:51 PM »

Does that make sense? I think it does. I am trying to be concise but I am a bit tired.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #85 on: January 22, 2010, 09:43:02 PM »

Vote rescinded since he replied.

Because he was the closest to being lynched when Kayma was trying to rush the lynch on him. Why would wolves be trying to rush through a lynch on one of their own?

Because you're always supposed to vote for your own if you're a wolf?

Please note how you're falling for this trick right now. Or lying.

And I voted for you because:
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If I could wait until after the lynch to scry, I'd probably look at whoever posted the least. SCD? Transportation? I dunno.
to which I replied:
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So out of inactive players you pick the one who voted seriously out of a bunch of joke votes?
Since SCD had actually hopped on the Romo bandwagon and wasn't inactive.

I suppose it could be considered nitpicky, but since you keep bringing it up!
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2010, 09:58:45 PM »

I guess it depends on why Kayma was voting for Romosome—I'd assumed it was to railroad through a useful lynching so that they could get on with their nightkill. At the time Kayma cast his vote, Romosome had four votes already (from Friday, myself, SCD, and yyler), and Guild had voted for him previously, so he was getting close. On the other hand, Friday and SCD were actually broccoli, so either the wolf team got cagey and called off the bandwagon once Guild voted for Kayma, or it's incredibly ironic that Kayma would get lynched for trying to bandwagon a member of his own team.

OH HAI TRANSPORTATION RESPONDED WHILE I WAS TRYING TO REPLY. His response still doesn't make any sense, so I'm going to post this and maybe respond again in a minute.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2010, 10:16:22 PM »

Because he was the closest to being lynched when Kayma was trying to rush the lynch on him. Why would wolves be trying to rush through a lynch on one of their own?

Because you're always supposed to vote for your own if you're a wolf?

Please note how you're falling for this trick right now. Or lying.

Um. Are you seriously suggesting the wolves will never vote for an innocent? And that furthermore, three of the following people (who voted for Kayma, and were not broccoli) are wolves?

LaserBeing, Guild, Bongo Bill, Niku, yyler

Like I said, you're not making any sense, which is why I'm not rescinding my vote for you. Romosome isn't even on that list!
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2010, 11:43:36 PM »

Um. Are you seriously suggesting the wolves will never vote for an innocent? And that furthermore, three of the following people (who voted for Kayma, and were not broccoli) are wolves?

I..what...no? When you're a wolf or vampire or whatever, you want to vote for your own kind as much as you can to avoid suspicion. Or, in the world of exaggerated rhetoric, "always." You do this because it's what people do not expect. No, not all of them did it and they won't always do it because that is suicidal.

I don't think I've ever actually seen an appeal to incredulity before.

Newbie.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2010, 10:04:38 AM »

Having slept on it, I guess I see what you're saying. It still seems improbable that Kayma would have been lynched for bandwagoning on his teammate, but stranger things have happened.

I am going to rescind because half the players haven't voted or posted much of significance, yet, and I also want to hear Niku's response to LaserBeing's question.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2010, 05:20:12 PM »

Funny, since I want to hear anything from Friend at all.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2010, 05:39:39 PM »

Friend posted twice to half-heartedly defend Kayma, while trying not to look too interested. He never switched his vote from his revenge vote on Transportation before he clammed up and hasn't said anything for three days. Circumstantial evidence, maybe, but it makes me wonder.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2010, 06:10:42 PM »

Friend posted twice to half-heartedly defend Kayma, while trying not to look too interested. He never switched his vote from his revenge vote on Transportation before he clammed up and hasn't said anything for three days. Circumstantial evidence, maybe, but it makes me wonder.

I was trying out the Romosome defense. I was also waiting for Niku to give a rationale for voting for me, instead of waiting for me to defend myself against his unexplained accusation. Also, why is not switching my vote evidence?
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2010, 07:09:36 PM »

My vote stands.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2010, 07:59:11 PM »

Also, why is not switching my vote evidence?

It's not, by itself. Combined with the other things though, it could be interpreted as you trying to avoid drawing attention to yourself by hiding behind a meaningless revenge vote.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2010, 11:17:07 PM »

Friend posted twice to half-heartedly defend Kayma, while trying not to look too interested.

I probably should mentioned this earlier, but you've misinterpreted my arguments. In both cases, I was agreeing with them on their original assertions that Kayma did something noteworthy, but I was arguing that their reasoning for do so was flawed.
1) Romosome, who thought it was suspicious that two people jumped on the Friday bandwagon minutes after he voted for her (or so he thought). What I (and everyone else) saw was him thinking that it was suspicious that Kayma seconded his vote. I was just pointing out to Romosome that no, it really isn't that suspicious that someone seconded his vote. The relatively short time in which he did this was suspicious, however. Then Romosome told us how he mistook one vote for another etc etc.

2) When I was arguing against guild, I stated that Kayma did x (x being rush the vote, I guess) and yyler did x. So why did Guild think one was more suspicious than the other when they were essentially identical cases? What I wanted to know was, why did Guild vote the way he did?

Also, why is not switching my vote evidence?

It's not, by itself. Combined with the other things though, it could be interpreted as you trying to avoid drawing attention to yourself by hiding behind a meaningless revenge vote.

Who would you have suggested? Kayma or Romosome? Because I wanted to lynch Romosome, personally. Check page 2 in thread. Newbie votes for Romosome. 2 votes for Romo. I insert argument 1 from above. Go to sleep. Wake up. 4 votes on Romosome, Guild tells people to hold up on the voting until Romo defends self. So I don't. Kayma votes for Romo, leading Guild over to him instead. I insert argument 2. Then everyone starts dogpiling on Kayma (correctly) for being suspicious. I was still holding out for Romosome to defend himself, because I (incorrectly) thought that his silence was like an admission of guilt. When everyone decided to lynch Kayma instead, I realized that not saying anything is a better defence than actually defending yourself. So after Niku voted for me, I shut my mouth. Well, that and Niku didn't say anything to defend myself against, considering he didn't accuse me of anything.

meaningless revenge vote.
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Wrong again. While I could see how you would think it was a revenge vote, I actually voted for Transportation because with you voting for Kayma, Transportation was the only person left who hadn't been voted for day 1. I decided to fix that.

TL;DR

If someone votes for you don't defend yourself
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2010, 11:31:26 PM »

Guys, I can't keep track of all the bullshit happening in this game. Blame it on starting the game the first week of the semester, I guess.

So let's make this interesting. I'm giving my vote away. I'll vote for the same person as the next person to make a vote, unless said voter asks me not to!

It's a big responsibility, but basically the first person to claim this once-in-a-lifetime offer gets two votes!
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »

Bongo Bill because a vote for Friend would put him at 4 and therefore at the "LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH GUYS" threshold.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2010, 04:56:11 PM »

 :wat: :mystery:

Very interesting. Friend.
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Re: Revenge of Queen Broccoli
« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2010, 05:57:44 PM »

Bongo Bill because a vote for Friend would put him at 4 and therefore at the "LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH GUYS" threshold.
You're... you want me to vote for myself?

I'll do it - not gonna go back on my word - but I wish to confirm that is your intention.
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