Topic: Star Trek (Read 31479 times)

Friday · « **Reply #140 on:** May 05, 2011, 10:09:40 PM »

Yeah, I was thinking after I made that post that it was probably because Voyager exhausted everyone's supply of bullshit tolerance. Luckily, (or unluckily) I didn't watch Voyager when it was airing, or Enterprise, for that matter, so I didn't come to Enterprise beaten down to my last nerve by Voyager.

Bal · « **Reply #141 on:** May 06, 2011, 04:13:21 AM »

Voyager had this really annoying habit of cockteasing us with good/watchable episodes, so you'd watch the next few episodes of bad in the hopes for good again.

Büge · « **Reply #142 on:** May 06, 2011, 04:47:39 AM »

Quote from: Bal on May 06, 2011, 04:13:21 AM

Voyager had this really annoying habit of cockteasing us with good/watchable episodes, and then slamming the reset button like it would dispense candy.

McDohl · « **Reply #143 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:13:20 AM »

Yeah, the Status Quo gods were happy with Voyager.

And Mirror Universe Enterprise was pretty awesome.

Mongrel · « **Reply #144 on:** May 06, 2011, 05:19:48 AM »

Quote from: Büge on May 06, 2011, 04:47:39 AM

Quote from: Bal on May 06, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
Voyager had this really annoying habit of cockteasing us with good/watchable episodes, and then slamming the reset button like it would dispense candy.

EXACTLY.

Like I said before the best thing they EVER could have done with that series was make Year of Hell real AND (maybe) an entire season.

But the incredible unlikeability of the entire cast sure didn't help that series.

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #145 on:** May 11, 2011, 08:19:08 AM »

http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=183

What gets me is his posture. Like, he came along on the 'let's have fun' trip, even sat in the swingset, even put his hands up into the 'I am having fun' posture, but he's adamantly refusing to get the point. And nobody cares.

...

yeah ok i should just stick to TNG i guess

Büge · « **Reply #146 on:** May 11, 2011, 09:26:59 AM »

Ah, but the real tragedy is that Spock wants to have fun, but his self-worth is so tangled up in being logical and dispassionate that doing anything close to having fun would leave him vulnerable to McCoy's smug ribbing and Kirk's gentle condescension.

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #147 on:** May 11, 2011, 09:35:35 AM »

ha ha yeah

Thad · « **Reply #148 on:** May 11, 2011, 03:54:01 PM »

Quote from: G on May 11, 2011, 08:19:08 AM

yeah ok i should just stick to TNG i guess

Yes, because Data is not at all comparable to Spock.

Büge · « **Reply #149 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:09:06 PM »

Spock has emotions, Data doesn't.

Ted Belmont · « **Reply #150 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:16:11 PM »

Quote from: Büge on May 11, 2011, 05:09:06 PM

Spock has emotions, Nintendon't.

Büge · « **Reply #151 on:** May 14, 2011, 06:43:19 PM »

I just learned that William Campbell passed away on May 1 at the age of 87. You might remember him as Trelane from "The Squire of Gothos", and Koloth, Kirk's Klingon counterpart in "The Trouble With Tribbles."

Friday · « **Reply #152 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:32:00 PM »

I think Trelane was confirmed as a young Q, making Q present in every iteration of Star Trek except Enterprise. Just read that recently.

Brentai · « **Reply #153 on:** May 14, 2011, 10:22:03 PM »

A Q, mind you, not necessarily the Q.

Honestly there were so many omnipotent energy beings in the first series that you could retcon a whole season's worth of eps into "a Q is just fucking with the Captain."

Friday · « **Reply #154 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:01:43 PM »

Oh, yeah. I don't think it was Picard's Q. And yeah, there are a fuckton of omnipotent (or near omnipotent) energy beings in Star Trek in general. Trelane just sort of had that "impish" quality that Qs seem to be known for.

Mongrel · « **Reply #155 on:** May 15, 2011, 04:44:40 AM »

I think they actually stated somewhere that Trelane basically became the model for that kind of thing.

Büge · « **Reply #156 on:** May 15, 2011, 06:07:45 AM »

The concept did make for a fun novel.

Mongrel · « **Reply #157 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:15:20 PM »

Oh god, I used to buy SO MANY Star Trek novels.

It's funny how it works. Star Wars novels were always like wretched fanfics (already discussed here). But early Star Trek novels (the ones I still might like a bit - haven't read any in over a decade) were almost criminally unrelated to Trek.

Basically, some struggling sci-fi writer would write an entirely original sci-fi story that they couldn't get published and just kind of let the Trek crew run into it a bit so that it nominally counted as a Star Trek novel. Sometimes they didn't even bother to maintain proper characterization, which made things even more bizarre. Some of the stories were bad, sure, but some were quite good. And quite a few of those writers went on to be recognizable names in Sci-Fi writing later on.

Towards the mid-and-early 90's, the books started to be more slavishly reflective of the main Trek canon (for what it's worth, no Trek novel is considered official canon on any level), but those early books were just hilariously weird sometimes.

TA · « **Reply #158 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:22:03 PM »

I used to read a ton of those at the library. There were good ones, scattered about, but there were a lot of really bad ones too.

I remember liking Q Squared, but not as much as Dark Mirror.

Mongrel · « **Reply #159 on:** May 15, 2011, 05:25:05 PM »

God, I used to be bad.

Not only did I own all those tech manuals, I actually bought those nitpicker's guides (in retrospect, it boggles the mind that those were even published). Though, in my defense, it was more because they were cheaper than buying the episode encyclopedias. I really didn't give a damn about filming errors unless they were funny. Luckily, quite a few were.

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