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[Envy]

Good idea. People generally suck at statistics, as my generalization in this post proves.

Of course you could be that one lucky sap that sends me a mail saying he won 10k off my tickets. D:

[Cthulhu-chan]

Don't dabble in your own goods, man.  That path leads only to darkness.  And not the cool, brooding kind.

[Doom]

Haha so I went to Halls of Origin for the first time today and cleared the vault, thinking "Well, it is seven bosses with some time-wasting trash, but they're mini-bosses that are next to each other."

Then I took the elevator and realized with horror that there are eleven bosses. Dang!

[Bal]

Those elementals aren't bosses.

[Joxam]

Nah, they're terribly easy to kill.

[Norondor]

well, since they take a lot longer to kill than normal, and have mechanics you need to pay attention to, and have a shitton of respawning trash between them, it's more accurate to say they're bosses that don't drop loot! I think we'll all agree those are the best kind.

[Joxam]

they're like the only elites in that entire section, man.

[Doom]

It turns out that time spent killing lootless busy-work is wasted the same as time spent killing meaningful bosses. i.e. it is the same time.

Halls of Origin is a fantastic place so steeped in atmosphere it could be called a fine wine of Cataclysm. Now if they'd just split it in half. I guess that means you'd end up with Start -> Vault of Lights and then Four Bosses Yaaaaaaaaaaay but if that's somehow different than Trial 5 or Halls of Reflection...

[Shinra]

they're like the only elites in that entire section, man.

Except for the troggs with 100k hp that hit for 8k damage.

As much as I like Cata I'm not going to pretend for a second that the vault of lights is anything but a tremendous pile of bullshit. We can always just call it a gauntlet boss, in which case, he's a boss with 6 million HP. More if you group is doing tardo things and taking too long between bosses, thus getting more troggs.

[Norondor]

Halls of Origin is a fantastic place so steeped in atmosphere it could be called a fine wine of Cataclysm.

Box wine. More of it, but cheaper!

[Norondor]

plus it will still get you trashed GET IT TRASHED

[Royal☭]

Oh that Norondor :laugh-track:

[Norondor]

i seem to be doing a lot of things that get a sitcom audience reaction lately

[Doom]

After doing a bunch of heroics as DPS and then healing a few I have to say that the new heroics are pretty cool and what a surprise, most of the original complaints are borne of baddies.

Sure some overtuned bits and I guess you have to join a guild that isn't garbage. Oh no?

[Doom]

Is any aspect of Tol Barad supposed to be appealing?

25 days of dailies for a single 349 trinket? In an area full of excited roaming gankers?

A battle that the defender almost literally can't lose?

I guess there's the raid, but that'll be a matter of waking up, seeing if we stole TB at 3 AM, and just baby-sitting until enough folks sign on to down it.

I think this is the very time in Cataclysm I've been disappointed.

[Norondor]

Is any aspect of Tol Barad supposed to be appealing?

25 days of dailies for a single 349 trinket? In an area full of excited roaming gankers?

A battle that the defender almost literally can't lose?

I guess there's the raid, but that'll be a matter of waking up, seeing if we stole TB at 3 AM, and just baby-sitting until enough folks sign on to down it.

I think this is the very time in Cataclysm I've been disappointed.

also the monsters all have 99% damage resistance

[Friday]

I'm thinking the discussion to create Tol Barad went like this

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

You know what was cool? Wintergrasp!

DEVELOPER 2: (George)

Uhhhhh, actually --

DEVELOPER 3: (Bill)

Oh yeah! Fuck yeah! I loved Wintergrasp that one time!

DEVELOPER 2: (George)

Uh, what one time are you referring to, because --

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

It's settled then. We remake Wintergrasp in Cata, only worse in every way.

DEVELOPER 2: (George)

OK, now you're not even making sen --

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

The next item on our list is fixing queue times.

DEVELOPER 3: (Bill)

I think we can all agree that is fairly low priority.

DEVELOPER 2: (George)

What?! No, it's a huge fucking pain in the ass to wait forty-five damn minutes to --

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

Right. Let's get some more minipets into the game! Everyone loves minipets! Plus, we fucking sell them for 10 bucks a pop and make a quick seventy million billion dollars per pet we release.

(Suddenly, a haggard, bloody young man bursts into the room. He is being chased by security guards.)

YOUNG MAN:

Rogues have no mobility! Nerf Ring of Frost! MOBILLLLLLLLLITYYYYYYYYYY -- (He is clubbed unconscious and dragged away)

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

What was that peasant saying?

DEVELOPER 3: (Bill)

I think he was talking about Player vs Player.

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

Oh. Well, what is he complaining about? We added the rated battlegrounds. That fixed everything. Forever.

DEVELOPER 3: (Bill)

Yeah, plus, he can do Tol Barad! You don't need mobility in Tol Barad.

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

Exactly. Now, lets talk about mages. I think they need some serious buffs because Frost isn't doing as much damage in raids as the other two specs.

DEVELOPER 3: (Bill)

Well, we could buff their MS effect to 50% and give them 10% more slowing effect on their frost spells. Also we could add a spell that directly irritates enemy players by actually having a hand reach out of their monitors and slap them.

DEVELOPER 1: (Bob)

I like the way you think. MAKE IT SO.

[Doom]

So the attacker gets 1800 honor on a win, the defender 180. For reference, you cap at 4000 honor and each peice is 1300-2200.

I imagine literally every server in the game is now win-trading Tol Barad. The general chat is glorious: imagine the WoW general forums but condensed into a purer form of stupid.

"All of you fuckers enjoy your bans for win trading against TOS"
"1800 GREATER THAN 180 NUUBZ"
"omg what the fuck go play BGs"
"this is my one bg -_- want to win it"
"fuck trading i want bh"

[Friday]

Blizzard's "fix" for TB being impossible to win is to increase the reward by a factor of ten.

ofc as doom said now everyone is win trading and I imagine Blizzard will ban every server or something in order to fix TB

[Shinra]

Blizzard's "fix" for TB being impossible to win is to increase the reward by a factor of ten.

ofc as doom said now everyone is win trading and I imagine Blizzard will ban every server or something in order to fix TB

The win trading was almost certainly Blizzard's intention. It gives everyone a chance to win, do the dailies and do the raid, even people on servers with dominant pvp guilds insuring TB never changes hands. With no incentive to defend, people will naturally trade wins until Blizzard comes up with a real fix.

Of course, this means honor will be inflated, but that's all intentional as well. Conquest is where the real focus is in PVP and you can't get conquest from Tol Barad. So you just gear up for PVP quicker.