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[Norondor]

there are at least two reasons i want to punch you for posting that

[Rico]

 

[Bongo Bill]

Bring me seven more and I'll give you these gloves.

[Norondor]

arp is useless for me, keep 'em

[Bongo Bill]

If you don't give me at least nine reasons to punch Rico then we are going to lose the war.

[Norondor]

fine, i'll go punch some snakes until i have 7 more

[Hraedon]

Whatever number of drinks it takes before it starts affecting other aspects of your life?

Well, I could be putting any leisure time to more productive use. You declared 15 hours as being an amount that constituted "having a problem," so clearly there is more to it than simply having an impact on one's life.

[Detonator]

So you are arguing that internet friends are not real friends

For the argument to work: yes.  If you put the social aspects of an online game equal to that of an offline hobby (which can still be video games), then you really can't single out WoW as being a destructive influence in itself.

Wait, so are we arguing that spending our time playing videogames is a bad thing now? I thought these boards were mostly about videogames.

But I guess there's no time to waste on such trivial things, nope, we must all just spend our free time learning useful things like "how to play guitar" and "painting" so that we may improve our society.

That's a nice strawman you set up there.

The problem here is that the whole gist of the argument is sort of unfocused.  There are many different reasons to hate WoW: some legitimate and some not, but most are completely subjective and can never be agreed upon.  I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW is the most boring thing on Earth.

[patito]

True, WoWtalk is pretty nonsensical, but I think some people in here have a point, you can still play WoW and even enjoy it (really?) but still not be addicted to it. Same way people have pointed out you can also drink alcohol without being an addict. But just dismissing WoW as something that you should just not do because it's not productive is kind of dumb.

Overall the conversation here should probably move more into what is considered a WoW addiction in any case, instead of people just shouting "I hate WoW, it stole my friends" and "I don't need your friendship, I have WoW".

[Hraedon]

I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW football politics etc shit I don't like is the most boring thing on Earth.

zzz

[Shinra]

7 hours sleep, average 10 hour work day with commute and assuming unpaid lunch

you are either throwing away your Saturday or half your weekday evenings



think long and hard about what you could do with 15 more hours. if wow is the best answer you can come up with, you're an addict.

I guess if choosing playing WoW (a game I happen to enjoy, and a hobby I happen to enjoy) over going out clubbing on a saturday night or spending money I don't have on dinners and movies I can't afford makes me an addict, call me Sleazy Jim the Hobo because I'll suck your cock for crack.

True, WoWtalk is pretty nonsensical, but I think some people in here have a point, you can still play WoW and even enjoy it (really?) but still not be addicted to it. Same way people have pointed out you can also drink alcohol without being an addict. But just dismissing WoW as something that you should just not do because it's not productive is kind of dumb.

Overall the conversation here should probably move more into what is considered a WoW addiction in any case, instead of people just shouting "I hate WoW, it stole my friends" and "I don't need your friendship, I have WoW".

The idea of 'wow addiction' is still patently ridiculous to me, because I've only ever met two or three people who you would actually call this an addiction for. This isn't like drugs where there is some kind of chemical compulsion keeping you coming back (see also alcohol) - if there is anything 'addictive' about WoW, it's that it's an easy game to sit down and play, and honestly for a busy person something you have to commit less to than other games. I basically had to give up JRPGs when I got into the working world because the 80 hour playtimes and slow rampups were too much of an investment for me when I could just log on wow for a couple of hours, have fun and set it aside without having to worry about "getting back into the game" the next day. But we're bandying about the word addict to describe anyone who plays WoW regularly, which is just as fucking obnoxious as AA members bandying about the word alcoholic to describe everyone who has a cocktail when they come home from work.

When your friends lose their job, drop out of college, and begin to collect welfare or move back in with their parents because they'd rather be playing WoW, they have a problem with online addiction. When your friends blow you off because they scheduled a raid in advance and didn't want to drop everything they were doing to change their lives to fit around your schedule, that's not really what I'd call addiction. In fact, I'd argue the real problem there is with you being an asshole and considering the pursuits that your friends enjoy inferior to your own.

I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW football politics etc shit I don't like is the most boring thing on Earth.

zzz

 

[Detonator]

I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW football politics etc shit I don't like is the most boring thing on Earth.

zzz

 

Nope.  WoW is much much worse.

[A²]

Is it the near-impenetrability of the conversation due to how much of it's own lingo WoW has?

[Rico]

"Man, that PuG DPS in HoL was awful, he only pulled 1050 on Lok."
"Man, LT was awful, he only pulled 50 apyds with no TDs so I only got 5."

I smell a new variation on "Bjork, Bobcat or Bobcat".

[Hraedon]

I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW football politics etc shit I don't like is the most boring thing on Earth.

zzz

 

Nope.  WoW is much much worse.

Thanks for rendering an objective verdict for us. I'm sure your bullshit contention is not at all colored by your personal views!

[Norondor]

I think people are just pissed because listening to people talk about WoW football politics etc shit I don't like is the most boring thing on Earth.

zzz

 

Nope.  WoW is much much worse.

Remind me to bug tyler about the script i asked him to make

[Norondor]

Or just ask Rygaron if we can block posts. Hey Rygaron, can we block posts or is that non-implementable?

[Bleck]

you guys are making the argument that since gambling and alcohol ruins lives they should be hated

gambling is basicalliy throwing your money in a deep dark pit and alcohol is basically just a drug that lets you emulate stupidity pretty effectively

I personally don't see a positive to either, but then again I'm the worst person in the world.

[Pacobird]

Whatever number of drinks it takes before it starts affecting other aspects of your life?

Well, I could be putting any leisure time to more productive use. You declared 15 hours as being an amount that constituted "having a problem," so clearly there is more to it than simply having an impact on one's life.

15 hours in reference to a number mentioned in Shinra's post.

I guess if choosing playing WoW (a game I happen to enjoy, and a hobby I happen to enjoy) over going out clubbing on a saturday night or spending money I don't have on dinners and movies I can't afford makes me an addict, call me Sleazy Jim the Hobo because I'll suck your cock for crack.

So WoW (and WoW over and over again, no less) is defaulted to solely because you don't have money?  WoW is literally the only inexpensive activity you are capable of engaging in?

I really don't want to play concern troll over this because I'm well aware I'm throwing stones from glass houses on this but you are like, lifting lines verbatim from the addict playbook here.

[Mongrel]

you guys are making the argument that since gambling and alcohol ruins lives they should be hated

gambling is basicalliy throwing your money in a deep dark pit and alcohol is basically just a drug that lets you emulate stupidity pretty effectively

I personally don't see a positive to either, but then again I'm the worst person in the world.

Gambling also carries a high social component.

IF someone is trying to make the "WoW is like drugs" comparison, it's probably better to switch that analogy to gambling, since both are sedentary and can easily be enjoyed just for fun in moderation.

I mean, I already posted this earlier. WoW is a hobby like many others. It carries a small risk of addiction but so do many many other things. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen often enough that most of us can think of at least one person who has suffered in this way. And when people see their friends or family addicted to anything they get mad at the source of the addiction, whether or not that's deserved.

  WoW may be a rotten hobby, but it's just a hobby. Addiction is a tragedy that is hard to deal with and harder to watch, regardless of the object of fixation.


Anyway, I have a much more relevant question: Most people pursue hobbies because they are "fun" for that person. What in the hell is fun about WoW? I mean, to me it looks like you could get the same results a logging into a chatroom with a bunch of monkeys, where everyone is running Progress Quest. Don't tell me it's "the social aspect", because goddamn it man, there are literally thousands of more interesting things to do to meet and hang out with people both offline and online.