Topic: 2012: The Mayans Warned Us Of Stupid Elections (Read 88544 times)

Büge · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2011, 08:20:36 AM »

Quote from: Thad on January 21, 2011, 10:55:30 PM

Yeah, given that '92 was the first election I was really aware of, and I'm from Arizona, seems like I'd have remembered McCain running.

Bush 1 DID have primary challengers in '92, though; I remember passing a Pat Buchanan rally in the Prescott town square.

Quote from: Mongrel on January 22, 2011, 08:15:43 AM

I remember that too, but very dimly. I was probably JUST starting to follow international politics back then (in all likelihood, I remembered it because Buchanan was a joke in MAD at the time or something).

I think in 1992, I was just starting to realize that girls weren't icky.

Mongrel · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:41:42 AM »

They aren't?!

Classic · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:41:57 AM »

I was preoccupied with defeating Gannon.

Büge · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:41:51 PM »

Quote from: Mongrel on January 22, 2011, 10:41:42 AM

They aren't?!

I dunno, why don't you go ask your wife?

Thad · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2011, 01:49:28 PM »

Quote from: Mongrel on January 22, 2011, 08:15:43 AM

I remember that too, but very dimly. I was probably JUST starting to follow international politics back then (in all likelihood, I remembered it because Buchanan was a joke in MAD at the time or something).

They're really sockin' it to that Spiro Agnew guy again. He must work there or something.

TA · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2011, 02:02:15 PM »

The man who ruined the 90s wants to ruin the 10s as well.

Shinra · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2011, 04:40:19 PM »

the man who couldn't escape controversy in the analog tape days thinks he can run for president when everything he says and does is in the permanent, accessible record of the digital age?

Hah. This should be good.

Thad · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:39:40 PM »

Yeah, Newt running isn't really news; we all called it after the last election.

He's got no chance. I know people have short memories and all, but he's the guy who shut down the government over a petty personal grudge and served his wife divorce papers in the cancer ward. The only reason he's less radioactive than John Edwards is that people have had more time to forget him.

McDohl · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:49:26 AM »

Simple politics. The economy is swinging back in a positive direction, and unemployment is finally starting to shrink. If this trend continues, then Obama will be seen in a very favorable light, and even if the Republican candidate is the dragon from Shadowrun, Obama will still win. Better to crucify this guy than someone who's got a real chance in 2016.

Royal☭ · « **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:06:10 AM »

My money is on Obama crushing Huckabee in 2012, with Palin acting as spoiler in most of the primaries.

Mongrel · « **Reply #50 on:** January 23, 2011, 12:40:51 PM »

I'm kind of leaning that way myself, though there's still the possibility of the Republicans thinking they can find "their Obama", be it in the governor of New Jersey or elsewhere (there are a handful of oddments who might fit the bill).

Norondor · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2011, 12:59:42 PM »

well you know if they fielded a candidate who just meekly rolled over to all the demands of the left or even pre-capitulated on important regualatory issues, i'd just be pleased as punch

Thad · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2011, 01:32:58 PM »

Quote from: McDohl on January 23, 2011, 07:49:26 AM

Simple politics. The economy is swinging back in a positive direction, and unemployment is finally starting to shrink. If this trend continues, then Obama will be seen in a very favorable light, and even if the Republican candidate is the dragon from Shadowrun, Obama will still win.

Fair.

Quote from: McDohl on January 23, 2011, 07:49:26 AM

Better to crucify this guy than someone who's got a real chance in 2016.

I'm sure there are people in the Republican establishment who see things that way, but I really doubt most primary voters go out there and say "Let's pick someone who sucks so we can try again next time."

Quote from: Mongrel on January 23, 2011, 12:40:51 PM

I'm kind of leaning that way myself, though there's still the possibility of the Republicans thinking they can find "their Obama", be it in the governor of New Jersey or elsewhere (there are a handful of oddments who might fit the bill).

Not a goddamn chance he wins the primaries; he favors civil unions and gun control, and opposes local law enforcement rounding up illegal immigrants. You saw how well Giuliani did in '08 -- now picture him without 9/11 to run on.

Quote from: Norondor on January 23, 2011, 12:59:42 PM

well you know if they fielded a candidate who just meekly rolled over to all the demands of the left or even pre-capitulated on important regualatory issues, i'd just be pleased as punch

Nice sentiment and all, but a President as effective as Obama at granting concessions to the opposition would require an opposition as effective as the Republicans at demanding them.

Norondor · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2011, 01:55:18 PM »

a man can dream, though

a man can dream

Rico · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2011, 02:14:28 PM »

Because I like every stretch-of-an-opportunity to repost this article:
Democrats: 'If We're Gonna Lose, Let's Go Down Running Away From Every Legislative Accomplishment We've Made'

Pacobird · « **Reply #55 on:** January 26, 2011, 03:19:05 AM »

Saying "people will behave in a cognitive-dissonant fashion" can justify pretty much any outcome. It's always the spoiler, sure, but there's not much point (much less fun) in speculating on anything if that's your conclusion.

The Health Care issue is absolutely toxic right now and shows no signs of not serving as the rallying cry for the Right until it's gone; whatever happens, the PPACA will still be around in 2012 so running Romney in the general election would be like running Lieberman as the Democrat in 2004. Whatever other hypothetical merits and broad appeal the guy might have, there's just no getting around that elephant. Why vote for a conservative who has a track record of supporting public health care when you can vote for a range of conservatives who oppose it?

Thad · « **Reply #56 on:** January 26, 2011, 07:15:46 AM »

Started to respond but realized I'd just be going in circles. I've already responded to every point you make in that post, and also pointed out that I wasn't even arguing that Romney would win the primaries in the first damn place. Not really any other place I can go with this.

Bal · « **Reply #57 on:** January 26, 2011, 07:27:29 AM »

So, what kind of candidate will the GOP put up next? Desiccated septuagenarian with no understand of the modern world, or possibly lunatic fringe conservative with no tolerance for the modern world? They've got a whole spectrum of people with no idea what's going on from which to choose.

Rico · « **Reply #58 on:** January 26, 2011, 10:58:21 AM »

Excellent.

Shinra · « **Reply #59 on:** March 31, 2011, 01:36:52 PM »

Well, you can pretty much count Huckabee out as a contender now.

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