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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 02:32:09 AM »

There's a Javascript floating around somewhere for text-only zoom in Opera. May be worth checking out if it's your major complaint.

Eh, won't bind to Ctrl+Wheel.  It's irritating having to take my hand off the mouse to zoom.  Still better than Konqueror, where the mouse zooms but does it horribly.

The "good" news is that I've just discovered that Firefox still exhibits the bug in Safe Mode.  It's good mainly because I don't think I could have handled another fucking hour of browsing without AdBlock Plus.  Sites still use that awful fucking green-double-underline ad shit?

It's still sitting there, unresponsive, because I want to see the script error pop up to confirm it's the exact same behavior.  (EDIT: Never came up.  Wonder if the "Don't show this again" check finally did something?)  But I guess next thing is to nuke my profile, which really I'm all right with.  Frankly if I had the energy I'd back my shit up and nuke my whole hard drive, start fresh.

Meantime, a Google search shows that my gripes about Rekonq should hopefully be fixed in the next release...
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 03:21:34 AM »

Can you use AutoHotkey to map ctrl+mousewheel to whatever the fuck the default binding is, when Browser X is the application in focus?
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2011, 03:45:24 AM »

Frankly if I had the energy I'd back my shit up and nuke my whole hard drive, start fresh.

I had you figured for the kind of guy who has his shit backed up as a matter of course. This is a little disappointing.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2011, 03:47:49 AM »

Can you use AutoHotkey to map ctrl+mousewheel to whatever the fuck the default binding is, when Browser X is the application in focus?

Well, appears there's a Linux port; maybe I'll try it out.

Arora: looks like it's almost what I want; it's missing session management tools but at least appears more stable than rekonq.  It doesn't use favicons, which makes it tough to navigate a large number of tabs, and there inexplicably seems to be no way to display a bookmarks pane on the lefthand side of the window.

Epiphany: No right-click for adblock, no way to display a bookmarks pane -- the documentation says you're supposed to just look at bookmarks as you type things into the location bar, which of course serves as a nice reminder of GNOME's "we will cram our UI philosophy down your goddamn throat" approach.

EDIT: Midori looks promising; it hides a lot of shit in places I wouldn't expect it, which is exacerbated by the fact that Kubuntu seems to be missing half the goddamn icons for it for some damn reason, but everything that didn't do what I wanted it to out of the box appears to be configurable.  May stick with this one for a little while...

I had you figured for the kind of guy who has his shit backed up as a matter of course. This is a little disappointing.

The vital, cannot-lose shit is backed up.  The kinda-wanna-keep-this-but-wouldn't-cry-if-I-lost-it stuff isn't.  Also, who the hell are you?
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2011, 12:06:25 PM »

The new guy, obv.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2011, 04:18:38 AM »

Midori seemed pretty much perfect right up until I opened my bank site.

There is NO visual feedback to indicate that a site is secure.  No icons, no color changes, nothin'.

And I can't find an option to view the cert myself, either.

I'll file that under "deal breaker" inasmuch as I won't use the browser for banking or shopping, but I'm still really liking it for general browsing.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2011, 08:23:05 AM »

...today Midori started hogging my entire CPU just like Firefox had been.

Given that they have entirely different backends, it would appear that the browser is not the problem.

I think the problem is CareerBuilder.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2011, 08:10:24 PM »

Switch to Opera and only zoom in increments of 100% (CTRL and numpad plus).
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2011, 11:51:06 PM »

He's already mentioned he specifically wants text-only zoom, a feature many browser devs appear to be dismissive toward. (That and Ctrl-numpad plus is a 10% increment zoom.)
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2011, 01:14:59 AM »

In Opera (at least with the legacy key config), numpad plus on its own is 10% increment zoom. Ctrl plus numpad plus is 100% increment zoom. Convenient resizing in increments of 100% would alleviate the issue of blurry images somewhat, which is the reason he gave for text-only zoom, and Opera is good at resizing without making images look too bad.

In other words, in the absence of a good browser with text-only zoom, it's the least bad solution.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2011, 03:43:05 AM »

That's definite a "legacy key config", 100%-increment zoom was removed in Opera 9.50.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2011, 10:10:09 AM »

So, Firefox 4 is out, which is nice.  The new default layout of things at the top is all kinds of weird, but it can be made sane again with relatively little effort.

I sort of like the idea of merging your tabs into the title bar, but can't quite figure out a way to do that without sacrificing the menu bar.  I want my little File/Edit/View/History/Bookmarks/Tools/Help list, and loathe the trend of getting rid of those in favor of ribbons.  Any way to best-of-both-worlds this?
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2011, 03:05:46 PM »

So far the aspect of Firefox 4 which is most vexing me is the fact that they swapped the positions of the Open New Tab and Open New Window menu items, so I keep hitting the wrong thing by reflex.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2011, 03:16:38 PM »

Is it better at dealing with the HUGE MEMORY LEAK issues FF has now become known for?
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2011, 03:25:33 PM »

Ha ha oh wow thanks, Mozilla, but I'm already using Chrome.

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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2011, 04:44:51 PM »

The default button position/size in the RC was fuckhorribad. I don't know whether release changed it, but if it hasn't, and if you hate all that wasted vertical space, you'll do well to grab Movable Firefox Button. (I tried a userChrome.css hack but it fucked up other bits of the layout, so the addon worked out better for me.) FXChrome save some vspace too, though the transparent tab overlap kind of bugs me.

I also think that Firefox is worse at letting you add custom-search-keywords-for-the-title-bar-things than Chrome. E.g., go to mer There's the right-click menu thing to create a new one, but it's not very robust and fails on sites like Merriam-Webster.

I want my little File/Edit/View/History/Bookmarks/Tools/Help list, and loathe the trend of getting rid of those in favor of ribbons.  Any way to best-of-both-worlds this?
Tap alt when you need the file menu.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2011, 07:40:52 PM »

I really like the way it integrates with Unity.  (I'll probably sit down and do an "I am testing the latest Ubuntu alpha!" thing at some point; short version is, it's working great on my laptop but neither GNOME nor Unity works particularly well on my desktop, and ATI drivers are of course broken again.  So far I think Unity is a great interface for a system with a low resolution, I'm not convinced I want it on my desktop, and its biggest problem is most of the config options don't have a GUI yet.)

It's also way the hell faster than 3.x.  Benchmarks have IE9, Chrome, Firefox, and Opera all running about the same now, with Safari currently playing catchup.
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2011, 07:59:33 PM »

Kinda irked about the tab group behavior (if I close a tab group I can't get those tabs back ever, huh?) and want some more of my go-to extensions to support it, but in OSX there's not really any big UI change (Except the "removal" of the status bar which BongoBill informs me there's an extension for anyway!)
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2011, 09:15:09 AM »

Is the "addon bar" there to temporarily support old addons that refuse to be moved?
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Re: Browser Wars
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2011, 04:03:02 AM »

So far the aspect of Firefox 4 which is most vexing me is the fact that they swapped the positions of the Open New Tab and Open New Window menu items, so I keep hitting the wrong thing by reflex.

After making that mistake several times, I am getting tired of it. If I want to open a new tab I'll just open a new tab, I can just do it on the tab bar; if I want to open a new window I'll go to the menu, no need to make the new tab more prominent assholes.
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