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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 03:30:53 AM »

Just as a note to Thad, The Megaman Zero games in GBA never refer to Zero as "Megaman Zero" he's still just Zero, but they do refer to Megaman X as "X" mostly. He does look totally different and is supposed to still be good old Zero anyway.

Harpuia, Fefnir, Leviathan and Phantom are all copies of Megaman X though, as well as obviously Copy X.

Note to Norondor, you do see the actual X again, only he's being kept in stasis. But he does move around as a cyber-elf kind of. And he does holographic projections of himself to Zero from said cyber-elf.

Also, most of the cannon fodder enemies are very obviously very low powered versions of X, what with them being blue and having very clear similarities to X and being able to only shoot 3 bullets at a time.

Come to think of it, the Megaman Zero games don't really call anyone Megaman.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 07:33:57 AM »

I haven't bothered to play it so I'll take your word for it that it's more cheerful, but uh... you don't think "a virus created by Wily that infects robots and turns them violent against humans" is a precursor to something?

Doesn't turn them against humans, just makes them sick.  So no, not really.

Come to think of it, the Megaman Zero games don't really call anyone Megaman.

Where as the Legends games call EVERYONE Mega Man.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 09:20:52 AM »

Aha, but there is a transitional period! In ZX and ZX Advent, there are a group of people called "Megamen" (or maybe this is just in ZXA? it's been a while since i played ZX). Albert designed a group of humans and reploids to be able to, uhhh actually the plot's really stupid now that i'm thinking about it. There's a fighting tournament and magical girl transformations? Look, either way, there's some precedent pre-MML for a division between humans/reploids and "megamen."

Also the Mega Men in Legends are just dudes from Elysium, and none of them (so far?) have been characters from previous series.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2010, 11:43:39 PM »

...and now that Inafune's quit Capcom, the whole thing's gonna get really fucked up.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 05:17:07 AM »

Of all the Megaman series I think that Megaman Zero is the most coherent plot wise, and I don't know if Inafune has much of anything to do with the plot of that series.

Megaman ZX or ZXA, same thing really, does estrablish in a secret ending how the reploids came to an agreement on limiting their lifespan and how humans would get more cybernetics in to them, plus there's a bunch of other things that try to tie up into Legends, although far far in to the future. Also yes, everybody in that series is called a Megaman.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2010, 06:12:46 AM »

After 5 minutes of searching, I can't find a copy of that manual on the internet.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2010, 09:16:38 AM »

the Reploids have been retconned to only ever go maverick if they've managed to catch Robo-AIDS.

Yeah, too many retcons.

Original game, between the manual and Light's warning in the opening scene, suggests that what makes the Reploids turn on their masters is simply free will, and that the century X spent in the capsule was basically an incredibly thorough psych evaluation determining that, while capable of choosing between right and wrong, he'd choose right.

And we know Sigma's the head of the Maverick Hunters and switches sides.

X2 and 3 drop hints that Zero was created by Wily, and 4 finally spells it out overtly and, further, establishes that Zero was a Maverick, Sigma hunted him down, and after the fight they reversed roles.

So in Sigma's case, yeah, he's an inherently "good" guy who goes bad after exposure to the virus.  Whereas Zero's designed as an antagonist but, after that knock on the head, he bucks his programming.

I don't think that NECESSARILY means all Mavericks have the virus (though I would not be the least bit surprised if that were explicitly stated somewhere in the PS run of the games).  Some may have the virus; others may just be jerks.  (And it's best to ignore the fact that 100% of all anthropomorphic animal Reploids are evil.)

From what I understand from reading Parish, Maverick Hunter X attempted another series of retcons, along with a book Capcom put out, and the whole Zero-as-virus-vector thing was being dropped.  Which is a pity, given that it was pretty clever, but the X series got dropped at that point anyway.

I DO quite like the juxtaposition of Zero and Sigma as characters going opposite directions on the same path, one able to resist his programming and the other unable to resist being reprogrammed, and neither one of the fuckers able to stay dead.

(Of course, X5 muddies the waters even further with its branching plot; the "Zero goes bad" path makes a whole lot more sense and is more fun to watch, but of course you lose the ability to play as Zero.  Whereas if Zero stays good, he and X just have a fight for no good damn reason.  This could actually be fixed with some minor dialogue edits; X discovers Zero is the original virus vector -- possibly based on the fact that all the little virus avatars look just like him -- and tries to take him down, Zero responds by questioning X's judgement amid his increasingly erratic mood swings.)

Megaman ZX or ZXA, same thing really, does estrablish in a secret ending how the reploids came to an agreement on limiting their lifespan and how humans would get more cybernetics in to them, plus there's a bunch of other things that try to tie up into Legends, although far far in to the future.

They also follow both Mega Man Zero AND Mega Man X7, which is logically impossible.  Best not to think too much about it.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2010, 09:47:23 AM »

Are you sure it's not Mega Mans?
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2010, 10:12:30 AM »

I don't think any of the X series games past 5 count, since they don't even manage to make sense internally.

To add to all this, was it ever officially stated that Lan Hikari is the future Dr. Light?
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2010, 10:13:17 AM »

The Battle Network series is officially non-canon.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2010, 10:16:24 AM »

are we seriously having a discussion on what is and is not canon in the megaman universe

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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2010, 10:31:21 AM »

What are we arguing foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor?
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2010, 10:57:59 AM »

Wait, they retconned out that Zero is the original virus vector? They took the only sensible thing Wily ever did in his long career as a villain -- counter a power-absorbing robot by building an enemy that's a deliberate Typhoid Mary -- and threw it away?

Next they'll take away that he can build robots out of trees. Poor Wily.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2010, 11:34:29 AM »

To add to all this, was it ever officially stated that Lan Hikari is the future Dr. Light?

Battle Network and Starforce are in their own continuity. Not that i know much about starforce besides

1: it takes place ~1000 years after Battle Network.
2: there's a girl with drill-hair and people have made a really amazing amount of foot-fetish pornography starring her.

are we seriously having a discussion on what is and is not canon in the megaman universe

beats discussing WoW lore :awesome:

(ok maybe it doesn't)

Wait, they retconned out that Zero is the original virus vector? They took the only sensible thing Wily ever did in his long career as a villain -- counter a power-absorbing robot by building an enemy that's a deliberate Typhoid Mary -- and threw it away?

I don't know that it's OFFICIALLY been retconned, but yeah, i always liked that his final master plan was GET EQUIPPED WITH ROBOT BRAIN CANCER
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2010, 12:35:33 PM »

Next they'll take away that he can build robots out of trees. Poor Wily.

He doesn't build robots out of trees.  He builds trees out of robots.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2010, 04:03:16 PM »

They also follow both Mega Man Zero AND Mega Man X7, which is logically impossible.  Best not to think too much about it.

Actually the Model-A in ZXA is not supposed to be Axl, even if his abilities are the same, it's pretty explicitly stated. So it doesn't really follow X7 for that.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2010, 04:18:09 PM »

Next they'll take away that he can build robots out of trees. Poor Wily.

He doesn't build robots out of trees.  He builds trees out of robots.

Looking at woodman, I think it's fair to say he does both.
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2010, 04:38:52 PM »

oh god this thread brings up so many bad memories oh god
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2010, 05:28:01 PM »

Dr. Light: Hey guys look I made this really cool robot! He can clean your house and yard and --

Dr. Wily: HEY GUYS CHECK IT OUT I MADE A ROBOT THAT SHOOTS LIGHTNING OUT OF HIS FACE

Light: Uhhh are you sure that's really the greatest idea --

Wily: OF COURSE I'M SURE SHUT UP YOU WERE ALWAYS INFERIOR TO ME

Light: fuck you i'm gonna make a robot that is better than anything you've ever made because he can charge up his shot

Wily: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

*later*

Zero: who am I and what is my purpose

Wily: Can you charge up your shot

Zero: dude I use a lightsaber

Wily: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

*later*

Sigma: who are you and what is your purpose

Zero: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sigma: wtf i want this maverick studied also can i get a lightsaber too

*later*

Zero: X you are still a noob don't let me catch me saving your ass from Boba Fett again

X: i can charge up my shot

Zero: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

*later*

Zero: fuck i died killing boba fett

X: haha fucking noob

Zero: here let me give you the power to charge up your shot even more so you can beat Sigma

X: noob i already found it whatever

Zero: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

*later*

Sigma: JUS DIE!!!!!!!!!! ZELOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Zero: haha fucking noob

*later*

X: Zero I think you might be infected with the Zero Virus

Zero: on what evidence do you base that assumption

X: Well your name is the same name as the virus

Zero: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffine I'll just kill you

X: *charges shot*

Zero: for fucks sake *dies*

THE END

*later*

Zero: oh hey it's like 1000 years later and some humans woke me up and there's a copy of X running around or whatever

*RANDOM BULLSHIT SOMETHING ABOUT ELVES*

Weil: hahaha you're not the original Zero you're just a copy the original Zero is over here and working for me

OMEGA: RAWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRR

Zero: I can charge up my saber

OMEGA: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

THE END
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Re: Mega Men
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2010, 05:38:40 PM »

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