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[Classic]

Like taking hostages, threatening public property with demolition, and mortgages.

[Thad]

I rarely say this, but good for Ron Paul.

Number 1: Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?

Number 2: Could a larger question be how can an army private access so much secret information?

Number 3: Why is the hostility mostly directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information?

Number 4: Are we getting our moneys worth of the 80 Billion dollars per year spent on intelligence gathering?

Number 5: Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?

Number 6: If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet?

Number 7: Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?

Number 8: Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption?

Number 9: Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?

[Mongrel]

So apparently those rape charges really are rape charges and the "Sex by Surprise" stuff, and other material defending Assange in Sweden is complete bullshit?

Man, I wasn't sure what was going on with the legal charges before, but I really don't know what the hell is going on at this point.

It doesn't help that since the very beginning there hasn't been a source I'd trust 100% reporting on it.

[Catloaf]

The important thing is that Assange doesn't really matter because not only is wikileaks still releasing the cables, but members of wikileaks left to form openleaks; it's like wikileaks, but with a different name and not partially founded by an alleged rapist.

[Mongrel]

Hopefully it will also not throw its leak sources under the bus.

[PhilosopherDirtbike]

Not too worried about the whole Assange the Rapist sideshow. The leaks mean a lot more to a great contingent of people out there than Assange and his ego. If a pedophile says two plus two equals four it still equals four, regardless of whether or not he fucks kids.

I rarely say this, but good for Ron Paul.

I never really went out of my way to find stuff on Ron Paul but I like him more and more every time I hear him speak in video clips or read his stuff. I can see why he has such a huge grassroots type following and he is definitely my favorite Republican in that whole building.

[Classic]

Unfortunately, he gives an even stronger impression than most republicans that he doesn't understand how money works.

[Catloaf]

I rarely say this, but good for Ron Paul.

I never really went out of my way to find stuff on Ron Paul but I like him more and more every time I contrast him with his lunatic son.

He has a nice personality and is decent enough on social issues, but I still can't help but disdain him because he's still a neoliberal, which is why

he gives an even stronger impression than most republicans that he doesn't understand how money works.

[Brentai]

Ron Paul's reputation rests solely on his people's ability to filter out all but the most agreeable shit he says.

See also: every other third party candidate.

[TA]

... decent enough on social issues?  The man's viciously racist, homophobic, and the only time he thinks the government should have power is to make sure no women are having abortions.  There is no good to Ron Paul, and even when he seems to be saying something reasonable it's for crazy reasons.

[Burrito Al Pastor]

I seem to recall Dan Carlin once saying that Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were, independent of their platforms and positions, the only American politicians who could be trusted to do what they said they would do, and I'm not particularly inclined to disagree.

So, what's worse? A politician with lofty, progressive, make-the-world-a-better-place stated goals who can't be trusted to take any action towards those goals, or a politician with bizzaro-world super-regressive/crazyland political goals who can be absolutely trusted to take action towards those goals?

He's a bit of a "the devil you know", really.

He has a nice personality

Well, that doesn't count for much in politics; I, of course, hate George W. Bush's political legacy, positions, actions, etc., but I'd love to go to a baseball game with him some time, because based on everything I know about the man, he's a pretty cool guy.

[Büge]

broken clock, twice a day etc.

[Royal☭]

Well, that doesn't count for much in politics; I, of course, hate George W. Bush's political legacy, positions, actions, etc., but I'd love to go to a baseball game with him some time, because based on everything I know about the man, he's a pretty cool guy.

If you can just get past that whole mass-murderer thing.

[Burrito Al Pastor]

Yes, I rather think I could. I mean, it's not like I would have any particular cause to fear for my personal health or safety.

Now that he's no longer The Most Powerful Man In The World (tm), I rather imagine he's no longer particularly at risk for committing additional acts of mass murder (or mass manslaughter or whatever, since "murder" implies malicious intent as opposed to bumbling incompetence.)

What was that joke from 52? "You're the best friend I've ever had, so I try to overlook the whole "evil mad scientist" thing"?

[Brentai]

He has a really tiny ego and tends to whine a lot if anybody mocks or disagrees with him.  This is personally, not politically.

I think I'd like him about as much as I do now if I met him.

[Catloaf]

... decent enough on social issues?  The man's viciously racist, homophobic, and the only time he thinks the government should have power is to make sure no women are having abortions.  There is no good to Ron Paul, and even when he seems to be saying something reasonable it's for crazy reasons.

I retract my statement.  I think I couldn't help but become confused upon remembering the reasonable things he's said and thinking "there's no way these things could come from the mouth of someone that crazy, I must be thinking his far worse son."  I hate living in a world where applying logic to a small-scale situation yields the least true result and thus is the most illogical thing one can do.  However, I stand by my red text edit.

[Mongrel]

The saddest thing about Ron Paul, is that when he says those reasonable things, you're reminded of the fact that no one else is saying them.

[Büge]

Just because it seems politically expedient to allege Assange is a rapist so doesn't make the allegations of rape any less valid.

I also find it sickening that the allegations of rape only seem to be used as leverage against him.

[Brentai]

The original prosecutor who heard these charges threw the case out and said they were ridiculous.

Once Assange started being a thorn in certain people's sides it suddenly stopped being ridiculous.

I still don't like the guy, but the way they're going about trying to take him down is pretty .  It's no fucking wonder we can't catch a bunch of dirt farmers who live in caves.

With boxes of scraps.

[McDohl]

GOD.  DAMN.  IT.  BRENTAI.