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User Interfaces and Add-ons
« on: January 09, 2011, 01:39:07 PM »

Romo is helping me with my franken-UI.

so lately a lot when I have been installing add-ons I get conflicts when also trying to set a focus.  it is basically the most obnoxious thing in the world.  Why does Prat make it so that I cannot set a focus it is a mystery.

Anyway I want to see how pretty your shit is or how much more conveniently you can do things.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 01:53:27 PM »

No


No I can't

I can spend an entire day setting up UIs and add-ons in WoW


I can't go back there again.

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 01:54:30 PM »

That said, maybe I need a nice UI addon so I can put my party members beneath my character while I'm healing them.  That way I don't have to focus off of the action to heal.

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 01:55:04 PM »

And geez, autobar was nice back in the day.  Kept an automatically updated bar with food items and elixirs and potions.

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 01:55:51 PM »

Maybe a top bar like Titan back in the day that let me keep track of all my info, like gold, durability, etc.

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 01:56:00 PM »

NO

NOOOO

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 05:08:19 PM »



Note that this is actually mid cleaning it up so I hadn't gotten around to removing the buttons on my map.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 06:09:50 PM »

Hey, if you could list and maybe link to your add-ons that'd be great.

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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 06:57:45 PM »

most of what is visible is listed in his LDB mod in the bottom-center: omen, xperl, dominos. also visible: recount

unless you were talking to niku, in which case i can only hazard guesses: EBB for buffs, dominos or bartender for bars, some ancient addon like titan for LDB monitoring, recount. no idea on the raid frame in the center, possibly healbot
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 07:25:53 PM »

Romo is helping me with my franken-UI.

so lately a lot when I have been installing add-ons I get conflicts when also trying to set a focus.  it is basically the most obnoxious thing in the world.  Why does Prat make it so that I cannot set a focus it is a mystery.

Anyway I want to see how pretty your shit is or how much more conveniently you can do things.
i'm not sure what the story with prat and focus is, but i never had similar behaviour from chatter, which is practically the same addon, so consider giving that a shot.

the best way to get your UI into shape—IMHO YMMV TTFN—is to check this thread and crib whatever elements you find aesthetically/functionally pleasing into your own UI. i advise starting from the last page and working your way back, since the thread starts in '08.

a less time-consuming way is to go to wowi and look for compilations that seem appealing. download, play with them for a bit, and then take whatever elements you like into your own UI

the most helpful thing, though, is simply consciously thinking about why you are placing mod x at position y, or why you are using mod x at all, et cetera. my thoughts on the matter are here and while my UI has changed a fair amount since then, my thoughts are more or less the same re: best practice
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 05:51:50 AM »

If you're like me, you play WoW to frolic around in a magical fantasyland and ooh and ahh at the wonderful landscapes and amazing settings and all that.

If you're not like me you're probably some awful hardcore raider or something. For shame.

But if you are like me, you want Kong Automatic UI Hider.

It lets you set any individual part of your UI to fade in and out based on conditions. It's easy to use and works with other UI mods. So now, when I play, my UI is literally just not there until I enter combat, and then everything pops back in. On leaving combat it fades back out. Mousing over any part of it pops everything back in as a group, or you can make it so just your minimap shows up if you want.

It's awesome.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 06:48:55 AM »

I run with default ui  :dealwithit:

Mostly because I'm too lazy to bother with UI modification anymore.

For some reason I really don't like these minimalist UIs everyone seems to use, now.  So barren and bland.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 07:05:08 AM »

I'm not playing WoW to look at pretty buttons.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 09:01:02 AM »

I don't like the SUPER minimalist stuff, but oddly enough my biggest issue with Spartan UI is that it took up too much space with artwork that wasn't wholly necessary.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 10:21:22 AM »

norn is very wise in the way of WoW UI. Let me show you how, with some of his teachings, I was able to refine mine into an observational awareness microscope.

Doom's Current UI, conveniently taken in last night's raid learning Atramedes.

Different shot showing combat text, target + target of target frames, shadow spec hot-keys, how "my debuffs only and make them easier to see" work, ability cooldowns from omni-CC, grid debuffs, etc. Also the quartz bar, that red bit at the end shows my assumed lattency and when I can safely auto-queue my next press.

Frames are Shadowed Unit Frames, allowing simple, straight-forward frames with a slightly refined edge. Notice no character portrait on myself and I'd remove my name if I could. Classes are reduced to a single distinct color: this is universal, so it's alright. Having a giant (Priest) tag on myself is pretty useless unless I am stricken by a memory that can only go back ten seconds.

I have my own buffs shown, but cap it at one line and give priority to my own: all I should EVER need to know is whether or not I've remembered to put up Inner Fire/Will, Fortitude and Shadow Protection. Vampiric Embrace and my Orb/Empowered Shadows status if Shadow, and a quick reference for my 20 stack spell-power trinket. It sounds complicated, but once you have the settings in place it's that way forever: at a glance, easy to use.

I have my target's debuffs/buffs set even more sternly: only my debuffs applicable show up, because it doesn't matter that the two hunters in the raid remembered their serpent sting(it'll show in shitty DPS if they don't, I guess.) I just need to know that I'm rolling my DoTs properly.

Favor a central view. Where does my target bar appear? To the immediate right of my personal bar! Not at the top of my screen, in a corner far away from where I should see whether or not my character is standing on a giant circle made of FIRE! This also puts them near my important hot-keys, which I have OmniCC so that their cooldowns appear as counting down digits on the buttons, so I never guess when my shit's off cooldown with the stupid default "the button fills itself like a clock but once it's almost done you can't quite tell when it's there!"

Side-note: always display your targets HP with Percentage and whatever else, but percentage is key because you need to know when you can Execute/Hammer of Wrath/Shadow Word Death AND when he does a percentage based phase change(Argaloth.)

Hotkeys are done with bartender4(I think) and they save/change based on my dual-spec(incredibly useful.)

OK, now my hot-keys. First off, if you study them closely, you should notice a very clear distinction: anything I need to cast as reactionary or primary is within 1-5, shift 1-5, or keys around WASD. I used to play with keys further than 5 on the default number-line, but that was stupid: I was a rogue with kick at hotkey 7, which meant that when I needed to make a split-second reaction in a 1.5 second gap of opportunity, I wasted several split-seconds stretching my hand for a chance to fucking miss and hit 6! Now, across every character with an interrupt(or like, a dumb stun/silence to replace it), I put that on the X key. Pictured here, I am in Heal-Spec and need my only interrupt(Chastise) to morph into heals I use primarily, so it's in the 1 key and SW:P is there for rare needs(Ozruk, PvP.) It'd be Silence in my Shadow Spec.

Now, there's also a split between my hot-keys to odd keys that are very distinctly further than the 5. Like... J for Guardian Spirit, Shift + \ for Light-well, fucking num-pad - for my chakra? This is just personal preference. I consider these keys I have to "think" to use. Lightwell has a 3 minute cooldown or so, I'm stuck in my Chakra state for like 30 seconds, etc. I also have even my more vital but very esoteric skills in obscure hot-keys: Mind Contrl is ] in both specs, because it won't come up that much but when it does I sure as fuck better not be clicking it.

I also have clickies because laboring for new hotkeys can be tortuous after a certian point. Also, quite frankly, all my clickies are either Fire-and-Forget(Fort/Shadow Protection last an hour, Inner Fire/Will 30 minutes), or Big Thinkers, like Hymn of Hope/Divine Hymn: even if I panic and consider using these, it better be a situation where I can throw up an 8 second channel and do the right thing.

Also, my keys here are slightly outdated: I have Goblin Bank Access and Singing Sunflower on bars over there, but it's a waste. I also have gaps: those are represented by Vampiric Embrace and my off-the-cuff positioning of a Healthstone and my recent use of Archaeology shovel: I leave blank spots on that bar because when I get a daily quest to use a quest clickie, I drop it on that bar(or even swap it with a hot-key like R) so I'm not an idiot opening my bag for ten seconds looking for the quest doo-dad.

Finally, note some smartly set hot-keys here for double-duty: G for dispel, shift-G for mass-dispel. Makes it easier for muscle memory, am I right? ` for Mind Spike, Shift ` for Mind Sear: both spells I should only cast in specific situations as Shadow, but not situations that are unusually rare.

OK! That was a lot of talk about buttons, but in case you're on the wrong side of the debate, hotkeys are always faster than clicking, however, if you can get by on clicking, good on you. You'd just be EVEN FASTER with hotkey discipline.

My chat window may be slightly too big, but I can adjust that on a whim so it barely matters. I use Prat or Chatter, I forget which, but I can click on and copy/paste links from chat and other cool shit. I also use the SA-specific goon add-on TheAddon, which is only meaningful if you play with us: it allows those funny emoticons!

At the top of my screen is TitanBar. It's very minimalist and useful, even if slightly bugged(I bought 22 slotters made from the old Warlock Shard bags, so it assumes I never upgraded past my initial 16 slots!) It displays the time, my durability and estimated repair cost, my cash on hand across all characters(I've made some big purchases recently!), my leveling efficiency(I should disable that as I've capped, whoops!) and my coordinates, which are very useful if say, King Krush is up and I need to give specific details to a Hunter Buddy.

OK, now what are those magical windows in the right corner? RECOUNT. I have Recount's death window open because it is the single most useful tool a raid leader can have. That big "why'd I die" window on the left? It recounts the specific details of the last several seconds of my life! It'll tell you shit like whether or not the Main Tank went twelve seconds without a single heal, whether or not you did eat that tic of Sonic Breath, and that I let my sound bar get retardedly high and died to Atramedes' pulsing AoE!

It can do break-downs this indepth with DPS, healing, damage taken, who actually fucking interrupts, ETC. all sorts of stuff. If you are not using something like Recount, you may be robbing yourself of information you need. Or not. Mostly, it's just a great DPS benchmark(reading Healing meters is a bit trickier, lest you end up with useless information that makes you look stupid when you yell at a healer.)

Next to it is Omen. A threat meter, plain and simple. Most of them are now so uniformly good(and the base UI has one) that you can pick to suit your tastes. If you are a DPS that doesn't understand why the boss turned around and slapped you or why that one monster broke loose from the AoE pack and shoved his foot up your ass, get this.

Next up is Grid. Grid is just a simple substitute for heal-frames and one of the many ways to more efficiently play whack-a-mole. I'm still fiddling with a good place to put it(I ended up putting it closer to my center view in later attempts) but you get the idea: you need instant access to who is in range and to be able to select them, period. The default UI has come a LONG WAY towards offering an option for this and it's not half bad. Notice that if I'm not in range(40 yards) of a party member, their box is dulled out. It also plasters the most imminently important dispellable buff that *I* can dispel on their box. Fusion Punch would take priority over Not Fusion Punch, etc.

Big thing: if you have good raid-frames that adjust based on your group size, you can remove party frames entirely. Huge space saver. Also, party frames are usually loaded with unnecessary shit: pet name, portraits, buffs, how much fucking focus/energy they have... at MOST, you should give a shit whether or not your fellow healers are low on mana.

I use the base map or if I can be bothered, Chinchilla. Don't use SexyMap. Some addons use unnecessary resources: and you can often discern which ones! If your super whacky Mario sound effects pack is badly written enough, yes, it will negatively impact your system performance and reactions.

Note that even if you think my UI is cramped in some ways, I can adjust anything on the fly rather than deal with it. It suits me for now, so I can just shrug: I can shrink the Recount, Omen and chat boxes as I wish, or even adjust the size scale of my buttons. I can toggle what information titan-bar displays.

Other addons not displayed in action are...

WIM(Wow Instant Messenger): Get this or something like it and you'll never again be burdened by trying to find a whisper after a ten minute boss fight. Automatically puts people on hold when you're in combat, etc.

Deadly Boss Mods: If you don't use a boss mod YOU ARE THE WORST RAIDER WHAT THE HELL. If we were fighting Atramedes in this screenshot, I'd see cooldown bars next to my mini-map that show shit like

[Sonic Breath: 0:26]
[Searing Flame: 0:41]

And they wind down and empty... and here's the best part...

When they get to a value I can designate(15 seconds for now), they move to my center view, positioning themselves right above me + target portraits! Holy shit! How can I miss what's about to happen!?

It gets better! It announces things as they happen! It plays sound effects that are context sensitive! Am I the target of Sonic Breath? It automatically places a Skull over my head and on my client only it plays "RUN AWAY STUPID!" along with a brief horn of urgency toot! And it displays a combat notification near the top of my screen just to give all relevant information!

SONIC BREATH ON: BANKSHOT

Now I can like, click on my grid real quick and hit power word shield and swoosh, he gets a Body and Soul boost for running! Wow!

And it can do some more things, but DBM is so fucking pivotal for basic information. It doesn't run the fight for you, it helps prevent you from being caught with your pants down while you guess. That boss is about to cast Empowering Clusterfuck, I'd better wind up the AoE heals!

Auctionator: Get auctioneer, get this, who cares. But only a chump doesn't have an addon automatically scan and list the other current and relevant prices of a good he's putting up for sale.

Postal: god the base mailbox sucks. lets you auto-open all your mail, among other cool shit

NPC_Scan: really cool auto-scanning thing: if you're flying over butt-fuck Northrend and a rare is under you, it will produce a picture you can click to target it, blare a horn to wake you the fuck up, and mark it with a symbol. Basically it's always scanning to let you know when Buttbeard the Frenzied has spawned, go get dat rare.

Awwwww!: Let's you play the Super Mario death noise when you die. Cute. :3

Quartz: It's a cast bar mod(I have cast bars set to appear near their respective frames, and I have a small bit of extra space next to my target frame for target of target and a possible set for /focus) with a ton of cool options. It even displays your guesstimated latency vs the server input, so you can hit the next button in your rotation before your cast finishes and queue it up seamlessly.

MikScrollingBattleText: Combat text display mod: this "frames" my central view of my character, so I can see what I'm doing(heals, damage) to my right, what I get hit by to my left(heals, damage), and see buffs/debuffs occur at the top. And I can set the trajectory they fade in and out and move at, so they don't get in my way.

oGlow: I think some default bag mods have this. All it does is surround an item in my bag with a relevant glow: green for common, purple for epics, etc. Incredibly useful when you try to discern a shitty green quest reward to vendor from your off-set gear in your bag.

Tidy Plates: When you hit V or Shift V, it adjusts what you can see over an enemy's head or an ally's head, for clicking/picking their ass out of a crowd. Healers should use Grid or other raid frames to save somebody, but DPS will find this immensely useful for picking the one mob out of five you need to CC/interrupt or you want to tab-DoT to cheese DPS meters with.

OK That was crazy long but there you go, these are the thoughtful touches I've put into my UI and it does account for why I react to and dodge fire a second before some other people are even aware something special happened, or why I can "know all" about which DPS ate the thing he wasn't supposed to.

It's also not be-all end-all, don't just flat copy me and expect the same results/comfort, but give them a try if you like and understand why they work as well as they do.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2011, 10:42:37 AM »

Ok let's look at your UI Niku

Get rid of your quest tracker as long as you have your quest log hot-keyed to L. Why do you need to know about that stuff you can't do in Blackrock Caverns?

Try out some different frames. Shadowed was what I use, but try any others. Be warned, there are some like PitBull that are really good and customizable, but have a fucking hideous learning curve. Right now, you don't know how much mana and HP you have unless you crane your head AWAY FROM WHERE ALL THE DANGER AND FIRE YOU ARE STANDING IN IS AT, and you have frames displaying who you heal at your center, so why do you need to see portraits and redundant bars to your left? More wasted space.

Your totem bars are kinda weird, if you get Bartender I know you get a single bar with pop-out adjustments. That alone will drop three ugly bars to one.

Take professions and shit off your hotkeys until you need to use them. If you use them infrequently, hitting P and clicking is fine: what is your hurry? Likewise, take your hearthstone, cooking fire, cooking, and hob-goblin off. You have to stop and plan out to use these, what is the hurry? They waste space otherwise. You might keep fishing on a "trash" hot-key bar like I do for quest uses, so you can just toss it onto your 1-hotkey for easier fishing and then swap it back out for your skill-that-matters when you do fighting-that-matters.

You probably don't need ALL those buffs on yourself showing, just stuff you yourself are responsible for. If that retarded moonkin doesn't marks you, it probably won't cause a wipe and if you're in a raid, somebody in charge will scream at him for it.

You probably don't need to heal pets or display their health: a lot of aoe heals will automatically/or smart target them if nobody else has priority, and pets take 90% less damage from mandatory AoE fucks anyway. Also, pet-owners assume default responsibility for their pets. It also breaks you of a bad triage habit: you don't want to instinctively try to save a 10% HP bar on a fucking dog when a brother healer is at 50%.

Remove that rep bar tab unless you are farming a rep where you grind 100+ mobs for hours at a time: you'll get a little green indicator and a chat pop-up when you're done and you can hit C and click to check, this is not need-to-know information.

Practice more keyboard binds. HOT KEY YOUR MOUNTS(Land and Air!) This will make you faster and more efficient in general and keep you from being a giant dope in PvP when you need that extra .2 seconds to ride away from a man who wants to rape you.

Move your mini-map somewhere else, that is not need-to-know enough for central view. It is preposterous that your UI set-up values knowing your position in the most featureless and flat aspect of your surroundings vs whether or not your rocket jump is off cooldown.

Which reminds me, immediately get a new Combat Text(Miks is great.) It will have a giant reminder pop-up when cooldowns are down. This is incredibly important when you need to ride ass-to-ass on say, Mana Tide cooldowns to have the mana for a ten minute giant lava worm fight.

Get rid of your bag bar, you will ONLY ever need to see what bags you have when you add a new one, an event so rare you can crack open the bar addon menu and reactive it for the brief, fleeting moment of glory. You will NEVER need to see what keys you have unless you do something very esoteric like grinding Consortium rep, and even then there is a quicker and smarter work-around(just open cells until you're told to get more keys!)

The micro menu bar... if you need it, maybe. You might use the hotkeys elsewhere. But if you don't, just remember them and get rid of it (Esc, N, H, I, C, P, L.. mostly keys that are away from your action left hand.)

Finally to illuminate more on hotkey theory, I think it's important that your Primary spells are unavoidably direct. When I am in shadow, it's like this:

`- Mind Spike
1- Mind Flay   Shift 1 - Binding Heal
2- Mind Blast
3- Shadow Word Pain   Shift 3 - Devouring Plague
4- Vampiric Touch  Shift 4 - Power Word: Shield

T - Power Word: Death

J/X - Psychic Horror/Silence

My most basic number-row of hotkeys works across my most important spells at all time, with shifts for very quick access to a situational DoT(Devouring Plague is single target, but must be easy enough to reach/remember/use that I can reapply it to the same boss every 30 seconds) and EMERGENCIES(Shift 1 is for when shit hits the fan and I need the absolute best reaction. Shift 4 is a little out of the way, but still very close when needed and good for filling down-time spent running, or giving the healers a small breather when AoE damage hits the fan. With this good hot-key and Grid, I effortlessly shield tanks and healers and endangered DPS without losing more DPS than the GCD!)


OK, now healing(Holy for now)

` - Mind Spike(My ONLY on demand damage for emergencies.)
1 - Holy Word Chastise (This will shift to a very important healing spell based on Chakra)  Shift 1 - Binding Heal(same idea as in Shadow)
2 - Heal (my "auto-attack" as a healer)   Shift 2 - Greater Heal (The other auto-attack)
3 - Renew (Debatable, but still important. Renew-friendly Holy spec. Also important to roll in Tank-Heal Chakra state anyway)
4 - Circle of Healing Shift-4 Power Word Shield (more situational, but still used frequently!)

J - Guardian Spirit
Y - Prayer of Mending

These two require a little more thought, but I'd better be able to gasp, think for a half a second and hit that button when it counts.

5 - Flash Heal(Same key in Shadow) - An emergency heal mostly. Still close enough to use: any further would make it a "requires thought" hotkey.

Shift-Q(both specs) - Leap of Faith - When a life grip is gonna count, the window of opportunity is usually about 1 second.


Hotkeys eccentricities note: I used WASD and QE for their default movement options because it personally gels well with how I move with mouse-turning. Using Q and E and Shift-Q Shift-E for good hot-key placement is encouraged if it suits you and is good practice.

ANYWAYS, the point of all that is that my spec switches my "primary" dead serious healing/damage rotation buttons to the most direct hotkey line(the top number-row). I recommend the same to you(1 Riptide, 2 Healing Wave, Shift 2 Greater Healing Wave, 3 Healing Surge, Shift 4 Earth Shield, Etc.)

Experiment, always experiment, then practice a bit. Your UI should be pleasant to look at, easy to use, and a benefit to your performance.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2011, 10:55:06 AM »

I'd better not type that many words on addons and not include a reference list I guess.

Just search on Curse or even like google Addon Name + WoW but I got everything from Curse. Except maybe Awwww! and Doomed(Doom Guy Health/Resource display mandatory for Warriors and DKs.)

Awwww!
NPC_scan
Grid
Titan Bar/Panel
Bartender4
Quartz
Recount
Deadly Boss Mods
Omen Threat
MiksScrollingBattleText
OmniCC
ooGlow
ShadowedUF
WIM
Prat
TidyPlates
Auctionwhatever(Auctionator, Auctioneer, etc)
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2011, 11:04:18 AM »

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Is wowi a more reputable site or something? UI packages are keylogger death-traps, at least as far as Curse is concerned. Always download individual elements and when in doubt, browse the user comments.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2011, 12:08:40 PM »

Having your professions on your bar is great for people like me who just punch the right side of their keyboard until the menu they want shows up.
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Re: User Interfaces and Add-ons
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2011, 12:11:43 PM »

Here is a helpful hint: If your UI compilation has an executable file in it, it is a keylogger.  If it does not, you are just stupid and going off, "Hey my buddy who has a 12 inch penis and talks to Nigerians every week lost his account mysteriously after downloading Bartender from Curse!!1"
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