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[McDohl]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0111/Reports_Giffords_recognizes_husband.html?showall

Politico says Giffords woke up briefly, and recognized her husband before passing out again.

[Detonator]

Keith Olbermann blasted all the fringe-y violent rhetoric people tonight.

Good for him, but he's already done it before, and it would be more meaningful if he had an audience other than people who already agree with him.

[Royal☭]

9-year-old killed during attack was born on 9/11

She was at the event because she was in the elementary school government and was going to "learn more about the political process"

[Shinra]

Possible YouTube channel of shooter

There is some deep, deep crazy in there.

How To: Your New Currency!

This guy reminds me a lot of of ulillillia or the timecube guy. Probably deeply OCD. I imagine he arranges his speech into the most logical order that works for him, even if it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. Probably not a coincidence, people who have the kind of fucked up problems ulilililia and the timecube guy have tend to be extremely impressionable to viewpoints that already sort of jive with their own, so they probably took the violent rhetoric seriously and turned to this.

The right can say 'we don't intend...' all they want, but Manson was inspired by a Beatles song and the guy who killed Lennon did it because of the Catcher in the Rye. (Which, btw, one of the favorite books of our shooter here.) And both of the above examples were subtle. The shit Glenn Beck spouts every day makes otherwise sane people want to shoot our politicians.

9-year-old killed during attack was born on 9/11

She was at the event because she was in the elementary school government and was going to "learn more about the political process"

I hesitate to use the word irony simply because of how fucking tragic this is.

[Büge]

remember when they made Taxi Driver and it went over everyone's heads completely and the reaction was either "why is it so violent ew how distasteful" or "man Robert DeNiro is such a badass I wanna be a tough guy like him"

No, I don't recall the public reaction to a film made before any of us were born.

I know it's a rhetorical question but I guess the reference just went over my head.

I didn't mean just at the time. I exaggerated a bit, that half-hearted tirade was based mostly on hearing people my age say the latter and treat Taxi Driver as an "ultimate macho movie".

They put it on the shelf next to Die Hard and completely miss the parts where he's made out to be pathetic, unstable, and scary.

But these are the same people that worship Night of the Living Dead and have somehow blocked out the part at the end where it directly says "This scenario excites you because you're a violent monster"

This explains Mark Millar's Wanted all too well.

[Detonator]

This guy reminds me a lot of of ulillillia or the timecube guy. Probably deeply OCD. I imagine he arranges his speech into the most logical order that works for him, even if it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. Probably not a coincidence, people who have the kind of fucked up problems ulilililia and the timecube guy have tend to be extremely impressionable to viewpoints that already sort of jive with their own, so they probably took the violent rhetoric seriously and turned to this.

The right can say 'we don't intend...' all they want, but Manson was inspired by a Beatles song and the guy who killed Lennon did it because of the Catcher in the Rye. (Which, btw, one of the favorite books of our shooter here.) And both of the above examples were subtle. The shit Glenn Beck spouts every day makes otherwise sane people want to shoot our politicians.

If the point you were trying to make was the last sentence here, why does it contradict everything you said prior to that?

[Shinra]

The point I was trying to make was, if Glenn Beck's ridiculous hate speech makes otherwise relatively sane people violently angry, imagine what it does to the crazy people who were unstable to begin with.

[Norondor]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0111/Reports_Giffords_recognizes_husband.html?showall

Politico says Giffords woke up briefly, and recognized her husband before passing out again.

Who the fuck gets shot in the head and doesn't di-- oh my goodness

[Detonator]

The point I was trying to make was, if Glenn Beck's ridiculous hate speech makes otherwise relatively sane people violently angry, imagine what it does to the crazy people who were unstable to begin with.

...we don't have to imagine

But my point was when you say "Glenn Beck's ridiculous hate speech makes otherwise relatively sane people violently angry", you don't say anything that backs up that claim.  The two points you did back up, (1. the guy is really crazy, and 2. crazy people can be inspired to violence by relatively innocuous things), don't help that statement at all.

I'm not defending Glenn Beck here, I'm just pointing out that you're making a pretty poor case against him when it should be pretty easy.

[Brentai]

Who the fuck gets shot in the head and doesn't di-- oh my goodness

MY FEESTS OF STEEL, THEY ARE SAVINK AMERICA!!!

[Brentai]

Jesus Christ, he got a little girl, a judge, and a fucking priest.  It's like a perfect hat trick of moral outrage.

That's not counting the two elderly people and the Jew who was planning a wedding.  Oh, and the invincible congresswoman.

[Saturn]

He is going to be burned at the fucking stake

[Royal☭]

But my point was when you say "Glenn Beck's ridiculous hate speech makes otherwise relatively sane people violently angry", you don't say anything that backs up that claim. 

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Allow me!


History of political violence in American since 2008

Good thing guns don't kill people.  Only crazy right-wingers kill people.  The solution, then, is to ban the right-wing.

[Royal☭]

Good story about Daniel Hernandez, an intern for only five days who may have helped saved Giffords' life.

[Mongrel]

Thankfully, I'm not worried, because he lives in a completely different town (I seem to recall?), but I can't help but notice that there's a glaring Thad-shaped vacancy in this thread.

[Büge]

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure he'll pop in tonight or tomorrow with a weighty opinion on the matter.

[Disposable Ninja]

I've noticed a lot of people have been talking about gun control. The people on the right have been saying that, you know, if there had been somebody else there who had a gun maybe they could've saved a few lives. But, obviously, there wasn't.

In fact, the only person there who had a legally acquired gun was the madman who was firing randomly into a crowd.

[Royal☭]

Too crazy for college, too crazy for the army, but just crazy enough to own and use a gun.

[Classic]

I'm not defending Glenn Beck here, I'm just pointing out that you're making a pretty poor case against him when it should be pretty easy.

Given that we're basically all on the same side of the political fence here, I think it's A-OK to quibble a little on or ramble a bit on the nuance of being disturbed. The comment that people with serious problems get seriously bad ideas stuck in their heads from innocuous things is an important counter-argument to the obnoxious knee-jerk outrage we're spewing here.

I mean, I want to unmake that guy and all he's ever done from the timestream, but my (justified?) moral outrage isn't going to change the fact that the real source of these problems are violent videogames and pornography in the theaters. This guy shot people because he enacted it in a Doom wad first. I heard so on the news, from a lawyer!

[Shinra]

I've noticed a lot of people have been talking about gun control. The people on the right have been saying that, you know, if there had been somebody else there who had a gun maybe they could've saved a few lives. But, obviously, there wasn't.

In fact, the only person there who had a legally acquired gun was the madman who was firing randomly into a crowd.

Though this has always been one of the points that I will most disagree with our regulars on, I do find it pretty hilarious, albeit in a very grim way, that one of the chief arguments for gun control is that an armed society is a polite society; and yet, in a state with almost no gun control laws, and legal open carry, not one person besides the shooter in the crowd was armed.

The victim ran on a platform of being a pro-gun Democrat, so it's not like her constituents were unlikely to be packing heat.