Topic: The Party of the Century (Read 66910 times)

NexAdruin · « **Reply #320 on:** March 31, 2011, 06:05:22 AM »

Kazz was pretty clear on what we were supposed to do in the event of his survival. I will listen to any explanation he gives about why I should change my vote, but I can't say I'll take it seriously.

Romosome · « **Reply #321 on:** March 31, 2011, 08:50:43 AM »

KAZZ SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD BET HERE BUT I DON'T WANT TO PILE ONTO HIM UNTIL HE EXPLAINS WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON AND TAKES ME FOR A WALK

HE OWES ME MONEY YOU KNOW

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #322 on:** March 31, 2011, 08:51:08 AM »

Quote from: NexAdruin on March 31, 2011, 06:05:22 AM

Kazz was pretty clear on what we were supposed to do in the event of his survival. I will listen to any explanation he gives about why I should change my vote, but I can't say I'll take it seriously.

in mcdonalds

travel is fun but tiring

are you saying kazz confessed to being a turned by predicting what volves will do before they did it despite him being an inno at the time, and that since this scenario is true, you want to kill a turned instead of trying to catch gdrac?

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #323 on:** March 31, 2011, 08:54:24 AM »

...or are you saying instead (this is just for my own edification) that kazz has been gdrac all along? are you in the guild and kazz are bad not stupid group? please clarify

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #324 on:** March 31, 2011, 08:56:37 AM »

i don't trust someone who says kill me today

i usually listen harder to someone who points out obvious things about what might happen in regards to their alignment as a (surface-wise) legitimate worry

see the distinction?

Classic · « **Reply #325 on:** March 31, 2011, 10:16:31 AM »

Quote from: Romosome on March 31, 2011, 08:50:43 AM

IMADAWG

This exactly romo.

Quote from: G on March 31, 2011, 08:56:37 AM

i don't trust someone who says kill me today

Also this, but there was a game where I got pegged as the seer and got turned by the vamps int he hopes of completely fucking the inno corps. The innocents still won, but I'd already been shuffled onto the losing team so for me the better strategy would have been to die before being turned. There exists a remote possibility he's trying to get himself killed before that happens. Or maybe he's already turned.

The problems as I see it are he's not talking, we're running out of time, and I can't shake the feeling that guild, regardless of his intent, is going to screw us.

Friday, can we have the official poll closing time listed as part of the poll? Also if it is in under 6 hours, may I invoke my Hammer?

Friday · « **Reply #326 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:12:12 AM »

The official closing time is always 48 hours from my update post.

Quote

March 29, 2011, 10:59:21 PM

I'm an hour ahead.

p.s. that means the day ends at midnight, tonight.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #327 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:19:49 AM »

All I'm saying, Guild, is that Kazz predicted he would be turned, assuming he survived (which he did), and that we should lynch him today. He even provided some evidence as to why this is the case.

To lynch someone else, who didn't warn us that he was probably a bad, just kind of seems silly to me.

Verde · « **Reply #328 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:20:50 AM »

Honestly, I don't like the idea of ignoring a turned that offers a weapon against the village. That said, I don't like how easily Kazz sailed into the lead. I'd be tempted to think that it's a save on Guild, but I'm actually just about leaning good on him right now. Plus who'd do all the talking if we lynched him?

So I'll put my money where G's mouth is. Hi Newbie.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #329 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:44:27 AM »

Ordinarily, I would consider the fact that Kazz hasn't checked in at all yet as a pretty strong indicator that he's been turned: he can just run out the clock and claim external obligations when we ask why he's not defending himself.

I don't actually think he's been turned, though. Yes, he had an innocent role, but as Friend pointed out, everybody expected him to fire his bullet last night; the fact that turning wouldn't prevent his gun from firing means that his value to either evil team would be diminished. What's more, I myself used his "if you don't kill me tonight you really ought to kill me tomorrow" tactic, and the fact that I was a person of interest for possible lynching all game may have contributed to my never being turned.

I think Kazz is a distraction from the people we need to be looking at.

Transportation · « **Reply #330 on:** March 31, 2011, 01:09:47 PM »

Just gonna go on a whim here and say Kazz isn't going to post.

Quote from: jsnlxndrlv on March 31, 2011, 11:44:27 AM

I think Kazz is a distraction from the people we need to be looking at.

I agree with this! Newbie

Your death will implicate Guild or Laser depending on the outcome. Let's find out!

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #331 on:** March 31, 2011, 02:13:07 PM »

Quote from: jsnlxndrlv on March 31, 2011, 02:37:12 AM

Quote from: G on March 31, 2011, 02:01:05 AM
already said read thread

Now, where have I heard this before?

yes

and

Quote from: G on March 30, 2011, 04:36:24 AM

and to answer your question at last, newbie, the PI reference i made was because i thought you'd ordered kazz to contact me, and i was trying to spook you by telling you i knew... it didn't work because kazz was just a inno vigilante BUT it was worth a shot

276 was a good post for the innos.

LaserBeing · « **Reply #332 on:** March 31, 2011, 02:41:45 PM »

Vote rescinded. I need to get my ducks in a row here, preferably without getting sucked into another circular Kazz/Guild/Newbie quagmire.

Kazz appears to have been turned. Guild is saying we shouldn't waste a lynch on a known Turned when the evil masters are still at large. Ordinarily, I would agree. BUT... Kazz has claimed to be the vigilante, which means whatever evil team gets him will be able to remove two innocents every night instead of one. That's pretty much the opposite of what we want. Bizarrely however, nobody was killed. There are no death shields in play (apart from wolfsbane). Why would a Turned not use its kill, especially one whose days are clearly numbered? It suggests to me that Kazz has NOT been turned, and that his threat against Guild was a bluff, or even that he was never the vigilante at all. In which case lynching him now would be a waste.

Guild, well... I still think his death will clarify a lot, but it doesn't have to be tonight. The more of a mess he makes while he's alive, the more we have to go on when he finally kicks the bucket. I will face my Guild. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the Guild has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

Newbie always looks like a wolf, and he always somehow makes me look like a wolf. For this I curse him, eternally.

Zaratustra and Romosome have made just enough posts to look like they're playing without saying anything incriminating.

Guild thinks Smiler is a wolf. I'm not so sure, but I can see the argument. He was part of the super fast Koah bandwagon that startled Niku so badly, along with McDohl, who of course turned out to be a werewolf. He also downplayed Envy's tip, even though he acknowledged that Envy had been pushing it all game. The question is whether he was doing it to protect McDohl or to protect Envy.

NexAdruin was also part of that Koah wagon, and is now pressuring for Kazz to be lynched without giving him time for an explanation, against Guild's actually pretty sound advice against lynching the Turned. If Nex is a wolf, killing a Turned removes a hated vampire foe, and if he is a vampire it's an easy sacrifice to make himself look innocent. But if he's innocent then lynching Kazz benefits him comparatively little.

For the record, the other Koah wagoneer was Friend, but he has been pretty reasonable for the most part so I don't really suspect him.

Angry Beaver just feels like a bad. I can't really put my finger on it yet. Also he said this:

Quote from: angry beaver on March 26, 2011, 06:43:24 AM

If I was scum, I'd have conscripted or killed Guild or Niku last night. Both are veteran players with good track records. They are an asset to what ever team they end up on. An asset that the innocents cannot count on keeping.

Sorry Guild, you're just to dangerous to let live.

Wolfy as FUCK.

Guild, what do you think of me rescinding my vote? Do you think I am right about Angry Beaver? Do you agree with his assessment that you should be killed because you are so helpful? Do you like me?

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #333 on:** March 31, 2011, 03:07:21 PM »

laser... ... yes i do

you said one thing that made me rethink a lot of things

keep on truckin'

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #334 on:** March 31, 2011, 03:09:43 PM »

in reference to

Do you like me?

and nothing else

i will address your other ideas as i have two hours before flight

i agree with your rescinding, not commenting about your reasoning, interested in angry beaver but i've had a pre-flight drink and don't trust myself to read the thread from AB's perspective atm, and finally welcome to the game

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #335 on:** March 31, 2011, 03:17:27 PM »

if you could back up your suspicion of angry beaver it would help me see what you mean when i do read

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #336 on:** March 31, 2011, 03:23:45 PM »

dammit not 276... ignroe that comment

let me refind what i meant

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #337 on:** March 31, 2011, 03:28:45 PM »

278 was a good post for the innos, not 276... 276 was a Friday post and should be considered neutral because friday is smart and knows not to influence the game with other than light-hearted joking (hi i'm not drac thanks friday god damn it you are getting revenge for that one game aren't you hah hah hoh heh :ledger: )

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #338 on:** March 31, 2011, 04:40:43 PM »

wait yeah i read it now you duhhh QUOTED it sorry i'm very anxious about the flight

LaserBeing · « **Reply #339 on:** March 31, 2011, 04:58:07 PM »

Well, with regards to Beaver; like I said, it's just a feeling at this point. But he did hop on the day 1 Classic wagon immediately after Koah. I picked on Koah because he was Magic Number 4, and because he provided no rationale, but Beaver was next and while he did give a reason, it might as well have been nothing.

Quote from: angry beaver on March 22, 2011, 06:53:41 PM

Classic, for no other reason then because he invited fresh meat to the grinder.

Maybe my aim was off a little? Note also that within one minute of him posting that Zara also voted for Classic, giving a reason that was flat-out wrong.

Quote from: Zaratustra on March 22, 2011, 06:54:56 PM

Classic for revengevoting.

Classic hadn't voted at all, so I don't know what Zara was thinking here.

Beaver then stayed totally quiet until after the no lynch had gone through, and then tried to incriminate Kazz, and by extension everyone who had voted no lynch. Now I don't have any strong opinion about the no lynch one way or the other, but the fact that there was no immediate visible benefit made it easy to go after the person who pushed for it, especially after the shock of a dead Seer, regardless of whether or not those two things were related. And voting for Kazz is pretty much always safe, anyway. It meant Beaver could be seen to be actively voting, but nothing so risky that it would draw attention to himself.

He then submerged again until Guild started getting particularly crazy, and then he made the post I referred to earlier, with the incredible scummy logic of "Guild is really good so let's kill him before the bad guys get him."

When McDohl was about to die, he posted this:

Quote from: angry beaver on March 28, 2011, 10:21:52 AM

Waiting for McDohl to get fitted for his hempen neck tie, and lots and lots of dying. I'll be back in my room, chewing on the bed posts.

But he never actually voted for McDohl. In fact I think this is the only post he's made so far, apart from his introductory post, that hasn't contained a vote.

Quote from: angry beaver on March 30, 2011, 08:55:46 AM

I have a theory, based on the fact that it was Guild who talked me of supporting Kazz getting lynched. They're both scum, and playing us for fools. This theory is highly likely to be wrong, but its a gut feeling.

Guild, lets put it to the test.

Why would you vote based on a theory that you just admitted to being probably wrong? That said, the Kazz situation still confounds me and the thought that he and Guild are in league crossed my mind as well. But I haven't been able to construct a scenario that satisfies me as to what exactly happened last night, let alone one strong enough to base a vote upon. And again, as with Kazz, a vote for Guild is always safe.

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