Topic: The Party of the Century (Read 66893 times)

NexAdruin · « **Reply #580 on:** April 17, 2011, 06:25:29 PM »

Are we really going to trust Envy on this?

LaserBeing · « **Reply #581 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:02:24 PM »

Quote from: jsnlxndrlv on April 17, 2011, 04:54:26 PM

I guarantee that if he wasn't a vampire when he picked up the laser sword, he certainly is one now.

Oddly enough, I'm not, despite your "guarantee". I know, I know, you've only got my word for it. But from my point of view it makes your credibility pretty damn tenuous when you're guaranteeing things I objectively know to be false. And I'm not sure why the suspicions of dead vampires should somehow be compelling evidence.

Why do you fear the blade of justice, Newbie? Do its righteous photons sear your pallid undead flesh?

Quote from: NexAdruin on April 17, 2011, 06:25:29 PM

Are we really going to trust Envy on this?

I don't trust ANY of you fuckers.

What does he mean Newbie is "too valuable"? So Newbie has the necromancy thing. Big deal. Judging from the pretty sad amount of info it's gleaned him so far, he wasted his money. Does Newbie have a role? There aren't exactly many important inno roles left. And how would the Oracle know about roles anyway, without conferring with his vampire masters? It sounds like a known vampire trying to make Newbie look suspicious by association. NO DON'T KILL THAT GUY! DON'T THROW ME IN THAT BRIAR PATCH!
OR he might be trying to protect a fellow vampire and honestly thing he's helping his team.

Either way it stinks.

Quote from: Zach on April 17, 2011, 03:56:26 PM

Laser, what happens if you receive a tie for sword-killing votes?

I'll let my gut be the tie-breaker. Just for the record, if I was going to make a snap decision right now I would probably kill Envy just to thin out the vamps, but a promise is a promise.

Classic · « **Reply #582 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:36:21 PM »

Newbie is "valuable" in the sense that he's talking and putting his ideas out there.

We should be doing more of that.

At the moment though, I'm most nervous of Niku for reasons of
1) I hate that guy so much.
2) He's been somewhat quiet.
3) That's how he wins.

Zach and Romo are basically great big mysteries to me and I'd really like to hear more from them.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #583 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:58:40 PM »

Alright, enough. I'm not sure my survival is actually beneficial to the innocents any more.

I'm the baner.

I'm the reason Nex can't kill anybody. This was valuable as long as we had seers and oracles and things like that, but all I've done is impede the wolves from successfully offsetting the vampires' advantage. Kill me, and Nex gets the ability to kill again; I'd suggest only killing me when you've decided on somebody for Nex to kill, and then you must lynch him the next day.

Niku · « **Reply #584 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:02:08 PM »

On page 11 I mentioned that I felt a bandwagon formed rather fast. It included all in a row Smiler (Olrox), McDohl (a wolf), NexAndruin, and Friend. That was a long while back, with more people posting and a better smoke screen to hide in, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if either Nex or Friend or both were bad people. It would look pretty suspicious (and did) for four people of the same team to jump on someone, but I could see a wolf voting, seeing a vampire vote, then the other wolf would go HOT DAMN THEY'RE NOT A WOLF, SAFE BANDWAGON, leading the fourth vampire to go OH BOY, THAT PERSON WASN'T A VAMP, THIS IS A SAFE WAGON.

Guild, right before he died, also kept harping on either Zara or Transportation being Dracula. Zara turned out to be, well, turned. Transportation, the Vampire Hunter. Not exactly the best batting average, but Newbie's name was the next one that kept coming up. And of course, he's just come out as the baner. Now Envy, who as has been noted over and over and over again, is almost goddamn definitely turned, is saying that Newbie is too valuable to lose. This is as true to the vampires as it is to the innocents, as they can use the wolfsbane just as well.

So, my suspect list is Nex, Friend, and Newbie based on those things. I've also got a really bad feeling about Romo in general, but that's purely a hunch, and I'm only tossing it out there to see if anyone else feels the same way (incidentally, the way to take him out if he was bad would probably be to use LaserBeing on him once he can't be trusted anymore; since Romo almost assuredly has interceptor, two birds with one stone). My strongest feeling on the whole situation right now is that Newbie is turned, and Nex is the greater werewolf. Friend I feel is the lowest rung of the suspicion totem pole, because I don't personally feel a lot of bad vibes coming off of his posts, he just happened to be in that early bandwagon.

Since I'm not a scryer of any sort, that's really all I can give on my two cents. Tonight, someone can get the Silvery Pendant. Someone can ALSO get a death shield, albeit one that only works half the time. So we have the option to say that we should just let Nex off the hook and try the pendant on him tomorrow, but there's always a chance of a wolf getting it. Or of Nex being a wolf, getting silvered, and having the 50% shield. Or the teddy bear. Basically, while it's an option, I'd feel more comfortable if we had the silver for when we outed another wolf.

And since the cross was bought and hasn't been used, on that note, it's pretty safe to assume it's in vampire hands. Otherwise I would suggest it being used on Envy or Newbie.

This is kind of a toss-up between the two, but for now and barring anything like that happening, Newbie, NexAndruin.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #585 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:24:43 PM »

Niku. Neither NexAdruin nor I can be Dracula; while I am in favor of eventually killing Nex, any plan that involves me and him dying in the same day doesn't make a single bit of sense unless you're discussing optimal outcomes for vampires.

LaserBeing · « **Reply #586 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:27:31 PM »

Quote from: Niku on April 17, 2011, 10:02:08 PM

(incidentally, the way to take him out if he was bad would probably be to use LaserBeing on him once he can't be trusted anymore; since Romo almost assuredly has interceptor, two birds with one stone)

fuck yes this plan rules

I'm not sure how much good killing Nex tonight does though.

NexAdruin, who did you guys try to eat last night?

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #587 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:29:42 PM »

I am willing to bet that Envy is a wolf, guys. I didn't want to use metagame knowledge, but it's come down to this.

Back on night 2 or 3, Envy accidentally posted his scrying orders to the VvW8 FAQ thread instead of using a PM to Friday. NexAdruin immediately responded saying he should probably delete that post. Less than 30 seconds later, both posts were gone. I didn't know Nex was a wolf at the time, but I agonized over whether to change my baning that night from Kazz to Envy instead, and ultimately decided not to. The fact that Nex was a wolf means that it's almost certain that they'd have chosen to turn him, and I wasn't preventing that from happening. If Envy's saying we should kill Niku, then we should kill Niku, who is probably a vampire.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #588 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:31:36 PM »

Let me underscore again that we do not want to kill off the werewolf team until we know the weretiger's dead. This is why I'm strongly against killing Nex until the last possible moment.

Envy · « **Reply #589 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:33:22 PM »

It's hard to be a Wolf when I've been buying Wolfsbane every night to prevent that fact. I will post my scry list for your sakes. I am not saying that anyone here is a wolf/vampire as my accusations have been pretty correct. Niku is a shot in the dark based on his attitude, not a known fact which is why I didn't boldy my post to outright vote for him. I wanted to get him to talk and that is all.
McDohl is Team Wolf Night 0
Kazz is Team inno Night 1
Newbie is Team Inno Night 2
Guild is Team Wolf Night 3
Zara is Team Vampire Night 4
Friend is Team Inno Night 5 .

Friend · « **Reply #590 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:38:12 PM »

Here's the problem with all of your accusations: they're reasoned using posts from people like me. However, you've completely dismissed the lower key players who haven't said enough to get dirt from. People who post just enough to avert suspicion like Verde, Zach, etc. Also -

Here's another question that no one seems to have brought up:

Where did Kayma go? Is there a reason everyone's ignoring his conspicuous absence?

~~Why hasn't Envy posted his scry list yet? (Well, the obvious answer is because he's turned, but it'd be nice for him to stop ignoring this question)~~

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Okay, ignore this one. But my other point still stands.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #591 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:42:37 PM »

It's entirely possible you're still innocent, Envy. If the vampires missed your earlier indiscretion and have been too busy looking for the weretiger, I could see you remaining unconverted.

LaserBeing · « **Reply #592 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:45:45 PM »

I want to hear from Kayma too. His last post was not exactly helpful, and then where the hell did he go?

Friend · « **Reply #593 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:47:16 PM »

Okay, while I would still question Envy's allegiances, his scry list at least looks pretty legitimate and consistent with his earlier accusations. I am obviously going to verify that I am an innocent, and the rest of his scries at least appear to match up with the general time frame of when he accused Mcdohl/Guild/Zaratustra.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #594 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:54:59 PM »

I am also interested in hearing from Kayma, and my suspicion of Niku has not diminished.

Zach · « **Reply #595 on:** April 18, 2011, 01:13:02 AM »

The current tally for being laser-lynched:

Newbie: Niku
Niku: Newbie
Nex: Newbie

I don't want the sword to be used at all, but NexAdruin has been hammering on Newbie pretty hard. NexAdruin is a werewolf, supposedly. Newbie is the baner, supposedly. Let's tie things up with Niku.

I'm still waiting on Verde. And Kayma, why not?

NexAdruin · « **Reply #596 on:** April 18, 2011, 02:25:39 AM »

I am definitely a wolf (no comment on who the greater wolf is, though). We tried getting Envy a while back, but he had wolfsbane. At this point I think he's just a red herring. Vampires didn't want him because everyone knew he was the oracle (yeah, you can say only I knew, but that's bullshit. Everyone knew as soon as McDohl died), and since Envy can't help them find the weretiger he is significantly less useful.

There's something I haven't mentioned about my being alive. The PI has accepted my offers for the last two nights, even though they were low. It's possible you guys just aren't remembering how to play the game (I got the tracker for 1GP are you fucking kidding me), but in this case I think it's more likely that the PI likes me. This is obviously a great thing for the wolves, but in the current situation it's a great thing for the innocents as well. The PI has a voice from a weak faction. If he continues helping me then together we can stop the vampires. After that, well, I don't know.

But if you kill me now, I can almost guarantee a vampire victory. If not them, then it's the weretiger.

In either case, it's time for Newbie to die. If he is a vampire, as I claim, he is on the faction that is the greatest threat. If he is the wolfsbaner, as he claims, then he is stopping me from doing my job (which right now is killing vampires moreso than killing innocents).

Obviously, I've got my own agenda in this, but that doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't true.

Niku · « **Reply #597 on:** April 18, 2011, 04:45:00 AM »

Quote from: jsnlxndrlv on April 17, 2011, 10:31:36 PM

Let me underscore again that we do not want to kill off the werewolf team until we know the weretiger's dead. This is why I'm strongly against killing Nex until the last possible moment.

While in theory I completely agree, we've only killed one wolf. There's not much purpose to leaving more than one of them alive that I can personally see. One wolf can do the same job as ten.

jsnlxndrlv · « **Reply #598 on:** April 18, 2011, 05:58:15 AM »

After we kill Nex, it's back to killing people whose identities we don't know, at which point we may accidentally kill the other werewolf before we've reduced the vampire population levels to a point where the innocents can win. Any argument that has NexAdruin dying before we kill the master vampire strikes me as obviously vampiric in origin, and if you guys aren't going to fucking turn me already then I have to oppose you. Niku. Niku.

Niku · « **Reply #599 on:** April 18, 2011, 06:10:45 AM »

You're also making the assumption that Nex a.) isn't the Greater Werewolf and b.) has already used his turn, neither of which are guarantees. Leaving him alive for one more night could also give him the time to go OH SHIT TIME TO PICK A SUCCESSOR. On top of that, as long as the weretiger is alive, the vampires can't push into end-game. They have to help us find the wolves, but they are powerless to actually kill the wolves barring Laser being turned by them. Checks and balances.

Also, I should just point out that the only word we have to go on that you're the baner is yours. Admittedly no one else has stepped up to call you out on it, but not everyone has posted since then either. As far as I'm concerned that doesn't exactly put you in the clear yet.

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