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[Transportation]

I was doing other things, yes.

Anyway, caught up/re-read/started a spreadsheet, so everything should be peachy keen for the moment.
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Contributions (who boy sure hope I fact checked enough times:

Well, bandwagons seem to form pretty easily in this dynamic. If we break out the Venn diagrams Laserbeing, Guild, and Nex have participated in both.

Guild seems to enjoy jumping off of bandwagons and voting for me. I presume to make sure I am participating?

Also I would vote for Envy as I don't like his post and people have independently come to the same conclusion!

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Is there like a "find posts in this thread" button somewhere because that would be really convenient.

[NexAdruin]

I admit to being on bandwagons, but only because I have no other information to go on. I know that I am innocent, but other than that I'm just going with what everyone else is saying. I'd like to hear some more from both Kayma and Envy.

[the asshole you hate]

Envy!

[Envy]

You dont like my post, but it's simply because you cant read them. Guild is just being erratic and stupid like always and following along with the first person. Yes I'm crazy and erratic, but thats just usually how I am. I'm a plain inno. Not a power role which you should probably protect more anyway. Saying you dont like my post isnt enough reason to vote for me, and Guild following along without much reason is pretty damn suspicious. I would say Guild.

[NexAdruin]

Saying you dont like my post isnt enough reason to vote for me,

You got some better reason to vote for someone on day 1?

[the asshole you hate]

Will me giving you a reason make you take your vote off? Or are you only voting me in revenge? Are you saying I'm a manbearpire for voting for you? That's not very sound logic. If you are asking for my reasoning, here it is: I don't like your last posts either. It sounded like you were glossing over perfectly sound reasoning for some reason. Anything that looks fishy probably IS fishy.

Let's compromise and no lynch Envy.

My random vote.

The question is do we wanna deal with Guild like we did last time? It's already started.

Instant revenge. What? A vote on you is not a reason for me to be a manbearpire. But it's the random vote stage at this point. No biggie. Still, you kinda made me look askance at you with the revenge voting.

While Nickasummers has a great idea conflagrating Verde's posts into a mountain of evil, I really do agree with Verde that it's pointless to no-lynch.

You want Verde to NOT throw down 'useless' posts on day 1 with nothing done yet? It's the freaking random vote stage! Stop being so harsh so early!

Envy, you didn't do much to convince me to change votes!

And I pointed it out!

I'm gonna say No Lynch on this one.

I don't like you, and here you are doing what I don't like again. When we are talking about lynching Verde. Defending a player, maybe? I'm not sure, but I decide to push on you more.

I'm gonna say No Lynch on this one.

Even though we have a 50/50 (roughly) chance to hit a bad? I know for a fact that people debate no lynching when the odds are 1/8th that! Tell me why you want to no lynch, please.

18 people with a small chance of hitting a wolf. I really doub it's going to be 50/50 I think waiting for the first night actions and seeing who or what is killed or turned or whatever is a better idea. We did the lynch random people thing and it did not turn out very well last time. Also for this game I will not respond to anything in #FF so any scripted messaegs will here by be known as fabricated out the ass.

Fair enough, but I don't really like your logic. It sounds like you aren't reading the thread, just kinda defending yourself when you're in trouble. Don't you WANT to catch manbearpires?

And then you bandwagon without giving a reason (however tenuous):

Just a reminder you gotta bold Joxam as well as vote for him in the poll for it to count.

Envy!

You dont like my post, but it's simply because you cant read them. Guild is just being erratic and stupid like always and following along with the first person. Yes I'm crazy and erratic, but thats just usually how I am. I'm a plain inno. Not a power role which you should probably protect more anyway. Saying you dont like my post isnt enough reason to vote for me, and Guild following along without much reason is pretty damn suspicious. I would say Guild.

I've been on your case for a while now. I dunno. Let me read them all together and see how I feel about you.

* G clicks "preview".

Yep. I'm good here.

[Garrison]

After rereading the thread, I think I like Verde best for our Day 1 lynch. Someone's gotta die and Verde already has a pretty good bandwagon going on.

[Envy]

Woof Woof

[LaserBeing]

Vote rescinded.

[NexAdruin]

Woof Woof

This is quite a compelling argument, Envy.

[Friday]

tl;dr is actually a pretty good argument against guild

[the asshole you hate]

Hah. True.

[Verde]

Got to say, I'm leaning evil or aux-evil on Guild. He's associated and disassociated himself with a whole bunch of people -- pretty standard muddying the waters stuff so we don't know who he's working with -- and he's outed a hinted special role (I think, but that whole thing kind of flew over my head). I really don't see how spreading FUD is of any benefit to the village today.

THAT SAID. I didn't see anything suspicious in Envy's post until G stepped in and put forward a pretty convincing case. I'm going to re-read the thread and come back with either a vote change or some more questions.

[Verde]

Actually: Envy

Being way too touchy and reactive is a pretty obvious evil tell. Or a good special who's uncomfortable with his role. The vanilla inno claim is good cover for either, but it's most likely to be the former.

[Verde]

DEFCON 1
Bleck - Jumps in to the game as a replacement and then... posts, what, FOUR times saying almost the exact same thing? Looks like trying to remain active without attracting attention.
Envy - Touchy responses to almost nothing at all.
G - Pretty convinced he's evil, but trawling the thread didn't give me much of a case against him. My read may be off.
Garrison - Weak reasons for voting, and the tone of his posts seems off to me.
Kayma - I don't buy the "one word post means he's the oracle" thing. Laying low for some reason.

DEFCON 2
Classic - Pinging me like crazy. Weird reasons for voting and, yeah, all that stuff a page or so ago.
Friend - Nothing to raise suspicion, but also nothing much added to the conversation.
jsnlxndrlv - Quiet. I enjoyed reading the math. But I don't trust quiet.
LaserBeing - Quiet. Again, I don't trust quiet, especially on D1.
McDohl - I have no opinion. Why don't I have an opinion? Post more.
NexAdruin - Nothing bad. Likely inno.
Nickasummers - Producing content, but a little on edge. Worried by his sudden and strong change of opinion on the no-lynch.
Smiler - I have no opinion. Why don't I have an opinion? Post more.
Transportation - I liked his most recent contribution, and I appreciate that being quiet can be down to being busy. Still pings me though.
Verde - Currently joint lynch leader, even if I don't quite see what's so suspicious about me. My teeth are naturally this pointy.
Zach - I have no opinion. Why don't I have an opinion? Post more.

DEFCON 3
Friday - Fixation on a particular role can be a tell, but I think her posts make it seem pretty unlikely she's a vampire. Look elsewhere today.

DEFCON 5
Joxam - Uncountered good role. Not turned. Do not lynch today, thanks.

[Joxam]

I'm switching my vote to envy also. He's being suspicious as hell and thats a lot better reason than why I was voting for verde.

[NexAdruin]

I'd still like to hear some more from Kayma. While we're at it, I'd like to hear more from Zach and McDohl as well (now that Verde has pointed out how quiet they're being). I'm feeling alright about letting Verde live to see the night. Not feeling so great about Envy.

[NexAdruin]

Also I want to hear from Smiler. His defending Joxam is suspicious and I want to hear his reasons for doing so.

[Friday]

His defending Joxam is suspicious

No, no it isn't, in fact, as I explained earlier, it's the opposite of suspicious. No wolf in their right fucking mind would defend a partner on day fucking 1. Unless Smiler has Wolf Balls the size of Nebraska, and he's doing some insane double reverse psychology. The fact is no wolf would defend their partner this early on out of fear of people reacting exactly as you are reacting.

Plus, Smiler and Joxam are friends, so it's natural to assume he'd defend him. Also Joxam role claimed so we're pretty sure he isn't bad, which means Smiler can't be defending his bad partner.

To sum up, you continuing to press this avenue of attack against Smiler is actually making me suspicious of you.

[the asshole you hate]

Verde, your whole "G is evil but I can't say how I know" post, combined with the fact that you're votehopping on me and the person I'm attacking, (Envy's your partner and you get something out of attacking each of us, seems like to me?) combined with the fact that everyone seems to want you dead (could be good reads, could be an evil bandwagon)...

NexAdruin - Nothing bad. Likely inno. <-Then why is he Defcon 2 just like Transportation, who is lower down the same list? Obviously it's not a position-in-list thing. Shouldn't he be Defcon 3 or 4? What good does it do anyone to tell us who is inno, other than garnering you a potential ally in the game? He's the only person you very specifically didn't cast mud on. I'm tempted to vote for NexAdruin now, but I think it would be more likely for YOU to pop bad. And I still think it would be more likely for Envy to pop bad.

I don't see anyone with a stronger or more compelling case, and Envy's utter failure to defend himself is typical of his play style as both a manbearpire and an inno, making it a null tell. In fact, Envy rarely contributes in the early game regardless of his role.

I'd still like to hear some more from Kayma. While we're at it, I'd like to hear more from Zach and McDohl as well (now that Verde has pointed out how quiet they're being).

Seconded.