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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 04:34:19 AM »

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-motorcyclist-dies-ride-protesting-helmet-law-143217859.html

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 04:56:52 AM »

Saw that, what a gas.

Best part is the videos of the guys who organized the ride and are like "Well.... uhhhh... ah... we're still against this because, um freedom, man."
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 10:31:49 AM »

Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

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I feel bad, because that is awful. But man. That's just.. wow.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 12:17:34 PM »

oh man it is SO FUNNY when someone tragically dies
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 12:40:32 PM »

OK, instead of getting angry I am going to explain why this is not OK behavior.

The guy who died by having his skull crushed is currently being grieved over by his friends/wife/kids.

You are not showing any respect for the dead.

Make fun of and laugh at his living friends who didn't learn anything from this tragedy, not the dead guy, please.

I blame my spurt of anger on just waking up and being groggy and also on this reminds me of people pissing themselves over the Darwin Awards and I fucking hate the Darwin Awards
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 01:05:58 PM »

OK, instead of getting angry I am going to explain why this is not OK behavior.

The guy who died by having his skull crushed is currently being grieved over by his friends/wife/kids.

You are not showing any respect for the dead.

Make fun of and laugh at his living friends who didn't learn anything from this tragedy, not the dead guy, please.

I blame my spurt of anger on just waking up and being groggy and also on this reminds me of people pissing themselves over the Darwin Awards and I fucking hate the Darwin Awards

So, here's the thing. He died rebelling against something that was for his own safety. One that has been consistently and statistically proven correct.

Call me heartless if you want, but I do feel for his family and friends who have to go on without him because of his stupidity and I can only hope a lesson is learned, but when it came down to if he was wearing a helmet he would be alive, that's beyond words.

Playing devils advocate: I can see the principal in wanting to be given the freedom to choose to wear a helmet or not, but I don't see the reason.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 01:12:44 PM »

Just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a goddamn idiot who deserved to be mocked for his idiocy.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 02:05:08 PM »

I'm not arguing that he wasn't an idiot. He was very clearly a fucking idiot. You don't have to link shit to prove to me that wearing a helmet is the right thing to do, it's self-evident.

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Playing devils advocate: I can see the principal in wanting to be given the freedom to choose to wear a helmet or not, but I don't see the reason.

This has fuck-all to do with my point. They are a bunch of retards and I join you in pointing and laughing at his friends who are so amazingly, stupendously brain damaged that they cannot learn anything from one of their own dying right in front of them.

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Just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a goddamn idiot

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who deserved to be mocked for his idiocy.

This is what I take issue with. I think dying for your idiocy is enough of a punishment for being an idiot. We don't need to mock him, too. But if you disagree there then there's nothing really left to say as we are at an impasse.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 03:16:15 PM »

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger." In action.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 03:39:52 PM »

It's a common misconception that comedy and tragedy are mutually exclusive.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 04:18:14 PM »

It's a common misconception that comedy and tragedy are mutually exclusive.

I believe I came up with a word for that... tragilarity.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 04:35:41 PM »

This is what I take issue with. I think dying for your idiocy is enough of a punishment for being an idiot. We don't need to mock him, too.

I don't really think the mockery is bothering him at this point.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 04:43:36 PM »

I think the argument goes that those who are most punished by his idiocy, his survivors, might be hurt by this mockery. Or that people, being unable to enjoy dignity in life, should at least be guaranteed it in death.

I wonder if it's better to just not care.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 05:32:10 PM »

I think the argument goes that those who are most punished by his idiocy, his survivors, might be hurt by this mockery. Or that people, being unable to enjoy dignity in life, should at least be guaranteed it in death.

I wonder if it's better to just not care.

He's dead.  He doesn't care.  There's no "dignity" in death.

If a survivor learns to wear helmets because of this idiot being laughed at for killing himself by not wearing a helmet, good.  If they don't, fuck 'em.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 05:57:13 PM »

I would say that it's difficult to mock his idiot friends separately. Like, you can mean to do just that and you can even can explicitly say you're doing this (mocking only the living), but I doubt any casual bystander is going to see the distinction.

Anyway, regardless, Friday is right but the problem is that situations like this are basically a perfect set up for the kind of "HA HA HA BUDDY!" response.

None of us will ever know any more about this man than this story of his death. Not only that, but that death happened in a way that much of the population sees as "just" (in the sense that "he got what was coming to him"), so a lot of people's first instinct is to chuck out their normal mental checks against a blatant display of schadenfraude.

Maybe if one of us knew him and give us a picture of a person instead of a humourous byline, then it would be a post for the shit days thread instead. But we didn't so we got a spectrum of reactions, just like any community would.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 07:09:11 PM »

None of us will ever know any more about this man than this story of his death. Not only that, but that death happened in a way that much of the population sees as "just" (in the sense that "he got what was coming to him"), so a lot of people's first instinct is to chuck out their normal mental checks against a blatant display of schadenfraude.

Comedy is rooted in irony.  Appreciating the irony here does not necessarily make somebody a horrible person.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 08:02:10 PM »

my god, we've become roger ebert
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 08:13:27 PM »

Well, the tl;dr version is basically: To almost the whole world, this guy is never going to be more than the punchline to his own death.

That's probably the saddest thing, but you can take it as you will.
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Re: Tragilarity
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 08:36:00 PM »

That was his choice to make.

Which I believe was his entire point.




So really, if we DON'T laugh at him, his death will be in vain.
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