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[Lottel]

I... Hm.
Does... Does that mean he THOUGHT he was winning but wasn't or he knew he had the fake ROLE PM and was to use it to throw off people who read ROLE PMs?

So either it's possible we all got fake role PMs ooooor there's someone out there who know's role PMs but not who has what.

No votes yet!

[Caithness]

My role worked exactly as advertised.

[Nickasummers]

That explains how careful Classic was with voting. Or not voting, as the case happened to be.

Also, I interpret this as he was told the second role, but in reality he was the first role and he didnt find out until now when it was publicly announced.

We didnt lose yet, so unless the rules are different than i am expecting, there are only 2 wolves at most.

I have a bad feeling there is more deception going on than we know. In fact, I am afraid even what we are being told about the dead is not all that it seems. I had believed envy was probably innocent but maybe bad... but I was wholeheartedly convinced kayma was evil. Moreover, kayma didnt really give any hint at all who he watched the first night. he didnt say anyone sounded innocent, and the only person he acted suspicious of was classic, who is supposedly innocent.

TL;DR, I think guild is lying to us about the roles of the dead.

[Nickasummers]

I should add, it seems unlikely that there would only be 2 bad people in a game of 8, so I think there is either one non-wolf bad, or we already killed a wolf and dont know it

[Lottel]

Guildo, old chum. I've got to hand it to you.

Wolf games are about constant change. You can't trust anyone or anything, save the rules. And you created a game where we can't trust the rules either.

It's brilliant.

[Beat Bandit]

Well, this is down to the line. I feel like the wolves are starting to become clearer just by process of elimination, but hey, my first gut feeling wasn't all that great so there's no reason to rush into anything now.

So here's the thing. It seems pretty obvious that Nex has the power that allows him to edit his own vote. He was also the most accusing after its use that everyone but him (though more specifically Lottel and I) should be held accountable for the death. I had said previously and stick to it now that the vote changing power might have just been used poorly by an innocent, but not admitting to going along with a bad bandwagon is the most suspicious part of it. Given Guild's history it's likely that there are two wolves, and one of them has a power of its own outside of just the basic kill.

All that said, it's going to be a hard job, (and frankly I like to think I've exhausted all other avenues in my head) but convince me you're not a wolf, Nex.

[NexAdruin]

I don't have to convince you of shit. I've already said that I didn't edit my vote, because I can't edit my vote. I still think you and Lottel are bads, even if Classic wasn't the vote changer.

[Beat Bandit]

Well okay. Admittedly you don't have to convince me of shit. Still one more wrong vote means the end, so I guess I'd just appreciate if you would.

[NexAdruin]

There's not much for me to say. I'm an innocent character that wins with the town and is probably vanilla (whether or not I've been told that I'm vanilla is something else).

[Caithness]

So you've tried using the power Guild told you you had, but nothing ever happened?

[NexAdruin]

That's certainly one interpretation of what I said!

[Nickasummers]

If we lynch an innocent, we lose. I am prepared to take a huge risk. Here is the deal everyone, listen up!

I would like everyone to declare (DONT VOTE) the one person they feel is the most likely to be a wolf. I will post mine if people agree with the plan. After we have all posted, I am going to post all of my thoughts and my role. I believe that I and the other two innocents can come to a consensus on who is a wolf and slay them. Not only that, but I think we can determine who the last wolf is at the same time. Anybody else willing to give this a shot? I feel it may be our only chance.

[NexAdruin]

Nickasummers

[Nickasummers]

You do realize that if you are wrong you have just lost, dont you? the other two wolves will jump on me and i will die.

[Nickasummers]

So much for playing it safe.

This is all very frustrating to me. I was pretty damn sure Kayma was evil, lottel was a partner, and if there was a third partner it was beatbandit. But kayma is innocent. Or at least, allegedly innocent. I dont know what to think now. Clearly there are at most 2 wolves now, and i know for a fact I am not one of them. Nex and caith always seem to vote together, beat voted with lottel day 1, and lottel was on both lynchmobs.

assuming the vote changer is, indeed innocent, and somebody had a protective power, and there are 2 wolves, only one role is unaccounted for. Nex implied that he was told he had a power but it failed. he could be the baner(or whatever) and the failure was saving classic, but nobody died night 1. He claims not to be the vote switcher. That means he is either a lying wolf, or the un-accounted-for role.

Caith says his role worked as advertised, and he implied early on that he wasnt vanilla (he suggested there might be no vanillas), and vanilla doesnt fit into the facts anyway. that means he could be a wolf, the baner, or the vote-changer (or the unaccounted for role). He and nex have always voted together, so I am inclined to assume either both are wolves or neither is a wolf.

I AM THE VOTE CHANGER.
I can change one vote retroactively. i changed nex's vote on day one, which meant that my vote for envy was not the foruth vote, but the fifth, killing him back when i made the post, ignoring all posts after that.

I have a passive power. As long as i am alive, roles are revealed on death.

Nex, you are either a wolf or an idiot
If you dont unvote immediately, you have to be a wolf because the wolves will bandwaggon and kill me if you arent

[NexAdruin]

That's a good story! unvote

[Nickasummers]

Unfortunately, since you forced my hand I dont have a whole lot to go on.
Nex - you voting for me was stupid if you are innocent, because wolves could have killed me. But its also stupid if you are a wolf, because you need one inno vote.
Caith - I dont have much to go on. I cant read you. all i know is you and nex always seem to vote together
Lottel - I think you are a wolf. I thought you were a wolf day 1, and i still do. you were on both lynchwagons
Beat - You and lottel just throw off a "team" vibe to me.

The way i see it, either nex and caith, or lottel and beat, are the wolves. if im right, then the vote that matters the most is mine.

[NexAdruin]

Lottel is my highest suspicion, but Beat Bandit is up there too.

[Caithness]

You do realize that if you are wrong you have just lost, dont you? the other two wolves will jump on me and i will die.

You shouldn't have made him unvote so quickly. The fact that two wolves didn't pounce on you would have proven that either

1. He is a wolf
2. You are a wolf
or
3. There is only one wolf

[Nickasummers]

Except that if there are 2 wolves and he isnt one of them, and they had pounced on me at once, it would have been over. Im not going to lose because nex voted so hastily.