Topic: Closed Werewolf Epsilon - Serial Killer Lottel Wins (Read 18020 times)

Nickasummers · « **Reply #160 on:** August 28, 2011, 04:38:49 PM »

We aren't going to learn a whole lot from deaths anymore, but I am tired of Caith's shit.
I shave Classic Just in case shaving isn't totally useless.

I vote Caithness

Lottel - 1 - (Caithness)
Caithness - 4 - (Ardus, Nickasummers, Kayma, Lottel)

Guild · « **Reply #161 on:** August 28, 2011, 05:30:50 PM »

Quote from: Cap'n Blackbeard on August 18, 2011, 11:32:50 AM

Welcome to Closed Werewolf Epsilon, Caithness!

You are the ???. You win when ???. Good luck!

Votecount 8 - End of Day 2

Lottel - 1 - (Caithness)
Caithness - 4 - (Ardus, Nickasummers, Kayma, Lottel)

It is now Night 2. There is no talking during night unless your role PM specifically allows it. Get your night actions in ASAP!

Guild · « **Reply #162 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:23:41 PM »

During the night, Kayma was offed! A silvery kitchen knife was stuck in his neck!

Quote from: Cap'n Blackbeard on August 18, 2011, 11:32:54 AM

Welcome to Closed Werewolf Epsilon, Kayma!

You are the ???. You win when ???. Good luck!

Votecount 9 - Start of Day 3

Ardus
Nickasummers
Classic
Lottel

With 4 alive it's 3 to lynch.

Lottel · « **Reply #163 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:31:41 PM »

Well that was a long night.

Classic · « **Reply #164 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:38:49 PM »

A bit long, and too long for some.

Classic · « **Reply #165 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:41:18 PM »

Alright, so it's the last or second to last chance for an innocent victory.
Last night Kayma contacted me by special privilege and revealed that he had scrying information pursuant to Ardus and Nickasummers.

Nickasummers · « **Reply #166 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:42:06 PM »

4 people left. Wolves win on a tie I assume, so that means 1 wolf left, and if we lynch an innocent it is game over. We had better be careful.

Classic · « **Reply #167 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:43:31 PM »

Everything we know about this game suggests that there are more threats than just wolves.

Lottel · « **Reply #168 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:44:56 PM »

Kitchen knives are popping up in peoples backs.
Maybe shaved wolves kill using kitchen utensils?

Or we have a different kind of killer on our hands.

Lottel · « **Reply #169 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:46:30 PM »

Quote from: Classic on August 29, 2011, 09:41:18 PM

Alright, so it's the last or second to last chance for an innocent victory.
Last night Kayma contacted me by special privilege and revealed that he had scrying information pursuant to Ardus and Nickasummers.

What did he say about the scry?

Classic · « **Reply #170 on:** August 29, 2011, 11:10:36 PM »

He said a lot of things and I've been mulling over everything he's said to make the best report I can on the discussion.

Classic · « **Reply #171 on:** August 29, 2011, 11:16:49 PM »

Kayma's claims are many and confusing.
First, he claimed to be a shaven wolf as part of a two wolf team whose only powers are scrying based. He claimed that a shaven wolf only counts for an innocent victory, not desire an innocent victory.

He claimed that he scried me as a shaven wolf.
He claimed that his ally is Ardus.
He claimed that Nickasummers is an innocent.
He claimed that he had no knowledge of Lottel.

I believe that many of these claims are based on facts, distorted to protect himself and his interests, albeit not in a particularly clever way. I have my ideas as to which of these claims are true and I'm interested in hearing if other players agree with my suspicions before we vote.

I'm going to ask that everyone put forward their hypothesis as to what this all means before we begin voting.

Lottel · « **Reply #172 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:02:49 AM »

Well, reading through the thread, I can't see where Nex shaved you.
I did see where a pile of fur was found on the floor. It could either be yours or Kayma's. Since Kayma claims to be a shaved wolf, this would leave no fur piles for you. In any case, why would a wolf have to scry to see his wolf partner? Guild said previously wolves new each other, right?
So you can't be a shaved wolf. That's weird. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here and say maybe Kayma's powers were warped. Or you are lying. I'm going to assume the previous, for now.

BUT if it is true. If the wolves DIDN'T know each other, Ardus is our baddie. He's an ally of a wolf who wasn't shaved. An innocent wouldn't ally himself with a wolf.

Right?

Nickasummers · « **Reply #173 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:41:05 AM »

I shaved classic right before the lynchvote of caithness, but I never shaved kayma. How did kayma get shaved? did he get shaved as some sort of defense mechanism when nex died? but we decided nex was responsible for role reveals on death, how could he have done it? I am now really confused.

Kayma said he was part of a 2 wolf team that only scries. People die at night, so it stands to reason there were 4 wolves, 2 teams of 2, one team scries one team kills and the teams dont know each other. Traditionally wolves win on a tie because they can control the lynch and then can eat people, so at that point innos cant win, but in this case that wasnt the case because they could not, in fact, control the lynch. the only real problem with the theory is how did kayma get shaved? Maybe he started shaved? maybe that was to balance the number of wolves vs innos? Ignoring when kayma became shaved, this would mean events went as follows:
Day 1: I shave caithness, a murderous bastard, we lynch poor envy.
Night 1: classic/caithness kill nex
Day 2: I shave classic, we lynch caithness, a murderious bastard
night 2: Kayma, a scrying wolf (may or may not have been shaved) dies.
day 3: ardus is an unshaved scryer, classic is a shaved killer

One more issue arrises looking at the timeline. why did classic rip out kayma's thoat? Why did classic just make it so terribly obvious that he is a killer? What reason do I have for not shaving ardus right now and ending the game if my theory is true? Discuss.

Lottel · « **Reply #174 on:** August 30, 2011, 05:25:24 AM »

Quote from: Nickasummers on August 30, 2011, 04:41:05 AM

I shaved classic right before the lynchvote of caithness, but I never shaved kayma. How did kayma get shaved? did he get shaved as some sort of defense mechanism when nex died? but we decided nex was responsible for role reveals on death, how could he have done it? I am now really confused.

Ok. Wow. In my defense, ~~Nex is an N and Nicka is an N and obviously I skipped the page I was on because~~ I'm an idiot.

As for how Kayma got shaved... Maybe I'm not as big of an idiot as I thought! Maybe Nex DID shave him. He didn't roleclaim, did he?

Quote from: Cap'n Blackbeard on August 28, 2011, 09:47:06 AM

During the night, two sailors were in a cabin when a third entered and stabbed one to death with a kitchen knife. The dead man was NexAdruin. The other two both left the scene and scrubbed up, apparently. Some shaving cream was found beside a pile of fur.

I propose Nex was a second barber. He was there at the scene of the shaving. Seeing as Kayma was obviously the other one there, that just leaves the murder of Nex unaccounted for.

Classic is a shaved wolf, Ardus is a baddie, and Nicka is a barber. I can only assume we have to kill the remaining baddie.

I'd like to hear from everyone first though. That and I really should be sleeping.

Nickasummers · « **Reply #175 on:** August 30, 2011, 05:30:49 AM »

Nex was responsible for role reveals. we know that because after he died it stopped showing. Moreover, if he IS a barber too, he is a special night barber. i have to go but i have more to say in a bit

Nickasummers · « **Reply #176 on:** August 30, 2011, 05:47:59 AM »

something really fishy is going on and I dont like it. Also, lottel, stop talking, sleep, and then reread everything since dawn.

Anyway, i shaved classic right before we lynched caith, so how did kayma scry him at all? If classic is a shaved wolf and wants the wolves to win, what isnt he telling us? I think i should shave either ardus or lottel and we should lynch the other. In theory this will mean classic counts as inno, the other one i shave counts as inno (or was always inno), im inno and the person we lynch is dead. Innos win.

Nickasummers · « **Reply #177 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:29:08 AM »

it occurs to me with 2 people following the wolf agenda a lynch will never happen in our favor. the only hope of the innocents, assuming all that i assume is true, is for me to shave the last wolf. It is either ardus or lottel. Unfortunately, due to unforseen circumstances there is potential for some metagaming which in this case I dont feel comfortable with. I am going to flip a coin. Heads I shave Ardus, tails I shave Lottel. Then I am leaving possibly for a few hours.

I shave Ardus

Classic · « **Reply #178 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:06:43 AM »

There are lots of things fishy here, but I'm relaying Kayma's reports to me without any obfuscation. I know for a fact that they are wrong on several levels, and I told him such while we were discussing the game.

I am not sharing yet what I know, for a fact, Kayma is mistaken about I'll wait until everyone puts in their two cents. Although I believe through the flavor text we're meant to infer that Kayma suffers from a severe silver allergy.

Ardus · « **Reply #179 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:02:29 PM »

Quote from: Nickasummers on August 30, 2011, 04:41:05 AM

Ignoring when kayma became shaved, this would mean events went as follows:
Day 1: I shave caithness, a murderous bastard, we lynch poor envy.
Night 1: classic/caithness kill nex
Day 2: I shave classic, we lynch caithness, a murderious bastard
night 2: Kayma, a scrying wolf (may or may not have been shaved) dies.
day 3: ardus is an unshaved scryer, classic is a shaved killer

One more issue arrises looking at the timeline. why did classic rip out kayma's thoat? Why did classic just make it so terribly obvious that he is a killer? What reason do I have for not shaving ardus right now and ending the game if my theory is true? Discuss.

There is one major problem with your theory. Dont the wolves win when they outnumber the innos? If there were 4 wolves out of 8 original players, the innos would have lost when we lynched Envy. It suggests that there are probably 3 wolves, not 4. On top of that, I still see no point in time where he wouldve been shaved.

I like your theory that I am a wolf. However, I am no such thing. About the only thing you shaved was my beard and mustache. They were getting a little long anyway!

I think that Kayma is pulling your leg. If I were a dead wolf who can still win with the wolves and someone had the power to talk to me, I would relay false reports to influence the lynch vote towards someone who I know is an innocent. That way the wolves would still win! I wouldnt put it past Kayma to be sneaky enough to do that. However, there is also the possibility that Kayma wasnt dead when he spoke with Classic. None of us but the Cap'n knows the order of night actions. If we assume that Kayma WAS a scryer and contacted Classic before his death, it would definitely support the idea that Classic is a wolf. In a match where the innocents arent supposed to contact each other at night, why and how would a wolf have the power to contact an innocent?

Quote from: Classic on August 29, 2011, 11:16:49 PM

He (Kayma) claimed that a shaven wolf only counts for an innocent victory, not desire an innocent victory.

Classic, why are you working for an innocent victory as a shaved wolf if this is true? It really seems like either YOU are distorting the information that Kayma is giving you, or that Kayma is distorting information and you arent reading it closely enough. I do agree that this is probably the last chance for an innocent victory and I wouldnt want us to make the wrong choice.

Quote from: Classic on August 29, 2011, 11:16:49 PM

He claimed that he had no knowledge of Lottel.

I believe Lottel is the final wolf. It really seems like Kayma is stringing classic along. Based on Classics actions and the information he is relaying from Kayma, I assume Kayma was the wolf who knew another wolf from the start. Placing the spotlight on me could be the perfect way to direct attention away from his real wolf buddy, Lottel.

Lottel, you must be taken out if the crew is to survive.

Sorry for the long reply. I have been kinda busy with housekeeping, preparing for classes, and actually going to classes. The semester started yesterday.

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