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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #360 on: February 05, 2013, 06:34:31 PM »

Geez, you talk like all he did was let Darth Vader do all the work, then got his ass killed by a blind Han Solo by falling into a pit.

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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #361 on: February 05, 2013, 06:52:29 PM »

I dunno. You could turn it into something like a heist movie?
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #362 on: February 05, 2013, 07:19:33 PM »

For all of Boba Fett's ineptitude displayed on screen, it did try and established that "off camera" he was pretty damn competent. I THINK some of the Han Solo novels feature him being a rather crafty individual.

That said, out of all of those, I'd prefer Boba Fett. Maul's already had reams of rather horrible backstory printed out in the comics. Jabba is "Giant stereotypical gangster", and Yoda they already toed the line with him in Ep2.

Boba Fett I picture like "Sci-Fi Die Hard" maybe. That'd be neat.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #363 on: February 05, 2013, 07:24:45 PM »

Boba Fett I picture like "Sci-Fi Die Hard" maybe. That'd be neat.

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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #364 on: February 05, 2013, 07:46:43 PM »

I like to think it would be more the tribulations of a single untampered clone being raised fatherless among an army of enhanced adult versions of himself.

A confused and unhappy child who knows he's supposed to be the special one, but really the only thing special about him is that he's the only one that isn't superior.

Raised in bitterness by a seemingly uncaring Republic that has really no use for him, callously sends his other selves off to be slaughtered by animals for years, and had murdered the only man who ever seemed to care about him.

There's some stuff there.  It'll probably be a movie about his adventures in the Guro Fetish Tentacle Pit though.

...Boba's life kind of sucks across the board, doesn't it?
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #365 on: February 05, 2013, 08:10:58 PM »

Heist or Die Hard-style movie actually could be pretty great.

All I know about Mandalore I got from KotOR, but it was pretty boss in that game.  I wouldn't mind getting into Mandalorian traditions a bit.  (I guess that's what Clone Wars has been up to lately, though?)

I'm very much in the "Boba Fett never did anything but have a cool hat" camp, but I think that's actually a strength -- he's a well-recognized character AND essentially a blank slate.  That means they can feel free to build a movie around him without worrying too damn much about audience expectations beyond "continues to have cool hat".

Don't have high hopes for any origin stories.  Yoda Origin could be awesome, but given that Darth Vader Origin should rightfully have been the greatest fucking thing ever and was very much not, I'd just as soon not repeat the experiment with any other characters.  (How Jabba became the big boss could be a great origin too, but not in a PG movie.)

The rumors I've read suggest that they're not thinking of anything as foolish as recasting Han Solo, so that's heartening.  I reiterate that I really want to see Han depicted as a Davos Seaworth character in some future movie, but I sure don't want him recast.

Course, Disney should be careful and not oversaturate the market, either.  They've (wisely) already cancelled the remaining 3D reissues of the prequels because those are just going to remind people that the prequels are things that exist.

On the other hand, they've proven at this point that they can put out 3 Marvel Universe movies a year without people getting tired of them.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #366 on: February 05, 2013, 08:25:42 PM »

The fact that almost everyone has suggested a total redo of the prequels under a new director tells me that the execution was the problem with Darth Vader's origin, not the idea.

I just think, if you really had to make a Boba movie, it would be more interesting to see him in the past, when he's really struggling, than having some sort of epilogue movie where he continues to do nothing much but look cool in his armor.  Why don't you just have a Han Solo movie where he steals the armor and never takes it off, and let any actor you want play him?  Bam, two womprats, one proton torpedo!

In all seriousness, what I'd like to see is something that's been expressed a few times before - something set in the same universe, but completely separate from the entire Republic/Empire business.  Maybe another galaxy where they're aware of the Force and such but have another name for it, or maybe they've got limited trade with the SWG so they have Jedi but have integrated it into their culture in a completely different way.  Just something that's not a -quel in any sense.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #367 on: February 05, 2013, 08:44:39 PM »

Picture this: Boba crawls out of the smoking crater of the Great Pit of Carkoon. His ship's impounded. His armour's crusted with Sarlaac stomach juice. All he's got is 500,000 credits in the bank and a soiled reputation. The only cure for that is to pull a big job. The biggest of jobs. And as it turns out, there's a fat bounty on a casino ship that'll be passing near the Tatooine system.

Time to get the band back together.

He calls in every favour he can muster. Dengar, Bossk, IG-88, Zuckuss and 4-LOM. They're all gonna help for a cut of the profits. But how long will this alliance hold? What happens when Boba's old flame learns he's alive? Will the hunter become the hunted? Find out in

STAR WARS: FETT ASSESSMENT
Rated PG-13
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #368 on: February 05, 2013, 09:33:24 PM »

I like to think it would be more the tribulations of a single untampered clone being raised fatherless among an army of enhanced adult versions of himself.

A confused and unhappy child who knows he's supposed to be the special one, but really the only thing special about him is that he's the only one that isn't superior.

A few throwaway lines in the novels say that the clones all have rather large 'flaws' - they're highly susceptible to orders and authority to varying degrees (IE, the grunts do whatever anyone ever tells them, the commanders have some leniency) and they're apparently programmed to never be bothered by the fact that they were grown to be cannon fodder.

I don't think like most of them even have names. Just numbers.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #369 on: February 06, 2013, 01:45:01 AM »

I would probably settle for a feature-length Blackstar Warrior.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #370 on: February 06, 2013, 06:42:17 AM »

Also Boba Fett always kinda sucked.  A neat hat does not make for an interesting character.

Well duh. The jetpack does.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #371 on: February 06, 2013, 08:03:36 AM »

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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #372 on: February 06, 2013, 09:21:25 AM »

The fact that almost everyone has suggested a total redo of the prequels under a new director tells me that the execution was the problem with Darth Vader's origin, not the idea.

Well, certainly.  In the right hands it could have been fantastic.  (Around the time Episode I came out, Margaret Weis put out a Dragonlance prequel about Raistlin.  Chapter 1 has him as a child, about Episode I Anakin's age.  A wandering wizard asks him why he wants to learn magic; Raistlin looks over at Otik and says "I want to make fat innkeepers bow to me."  It's about as far from "Yippee!  Let's try spinning!  That's a neat trick!" as it gets.)  "Right hands" is, I think, the problem.  I'd rather leave something like Yoda's origin unknown.

That said, it COULD be great.  My ideal version: a twist on Sandman #13.

Sandman #13 is the Hob Gadling issue (and my single favorite issue of the series).  For those who haven't read it, it goes something like this: it starts out in 1389.  Death and Dream are in a tavern, where they see a man boasting that he's going to live forever.  They're amused by this and Death decides to call his bluff and make him immortal; he and Dream agree to meet once every hundred years to talk about what he's been doing with his life.  That's the rest of the issue: Hob and Dream catching up at a bar every hundred years and talking about what Hob's been up to this century.

For a Yoda movie I'm picturing something like that except not taking place entirely in bars.  90 minutes (short for a Star Wars movie), with roughly every 10 minutes corresponding to a century of his life.  Each a vignette with a beginning, a middle, and an end, each telling us about some important moment in Yoda's life, and also, by necessity, giving us a view of what's changed in the galaxy around him in that time.

I don't really see anybody making a movie with more than a passing resemblance to that idea.  But that's how I'd like to see it done.

There ARE plenty of interesting questions to ask about Yoda.  What did he look like when he was younger?  Presumably he wasn't so shriveled and wrinkled in his prime.  Where was he born?  Was he born on his people's native planet, or somewhere else?  Were there a lot of his species around him growing up?

What was he like as a teenager?  This is what, as I've said, Episode 1 fucked up with Obi-Wan: there's never a glimmer there of him being impulsive or rash.  Qui-Gon's the rebel, while Obi-Wan's more "Oooh, Yogi, the Jedi Council's not gonna like it if you take that picnic basket."  (That, in and of itself, could have made for an interesting twist on formula, but it never really panned out to one.)  If we're going to see a Yoda origin, we should see a damn character arc; we should see that wisdom and patience are things he struggled to learn over centuries (largely by watching everyone he knew die around him), not traits he was born with.

More of Yoda as a prankster would be good too.  The prequels forgot how damn funny he was in Empire.

(As I've said before, the biggest problem with the prequels, above and beyond every single narrative issue, was the lack of a Han Solo character.  Everybody was either serious as fuck or an obnoxious slapstick character.  There was levity, but it was consistently stupid.)

I just think, if you really had to make a Boba movie, it would be more interesting to see him in the past, when he's really struggling, than having some sort of epilogue movie where he continues to do nothing much but look cool in his armor.

I can see that, though a caper flick would suit him.

I'd just like to jettison the whole clone/Jango/etc. backstory, because it was stupid.  All it tells me is that Jango couldn't create a son the traditional way.

Ooh...was Jango gay?

In all seriousness, what I'd like to see is something that's been expressed a few times before - something set in the same universe, but completely separate from the entire Republic/Empire business.  Maybe another galaxy where they're aware of the Force and such but have another name for it, or maybe they've got limited trade with the SWG so they have Jedi but have integrated it into their culture in a completely different way.  Just something that's not a -quel in any sense.

I can see that.  Or a side story about a rebel Jedi who isn't involved in the resistance and is off doing his own thing.  (I think the KotOR comic featured a Jedi rogue; the writer pitched it as "What if Luke had taken Han up on his offer to take off with him and leave the rebellion behind?"  KotOR the game had a wise-ass Jedi exile, Jolee Bindo; I'd like to see more Jedi Masters with a sense of humor.  See above on Yoda-as-prankster.)  The ancillary media have also tackled things like the very beginning of the Jedi Order; that'd be interesting to see.

But of course this is a moneymaking enterprise and I don't think, at least upfront, that Disney's going to be willing to deviate from the formula of Big Numbered Sequels or Spinoffs with Already-Bankable Characters.  Then again, maybe long-term; I've already made the Marvel comparison, and we're looking at not only a SHIELD TV show, but movies planned for the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, and Dr. Strange.  Maybe once the ball gets rolling on New Star Wars, they'll be more comfortable experimenting with new characters and settings in-between the big movies.  There's really no limit to the stories you can tell in that universe.

(And since I mentioned TV shows: I'm guessing there's probably some forward momentum on the one Lucas has been pushing since Episode 3.  Purportedly that one takes place between the two trilogies, and that's a period I wouldn't mind seeing -- a new cast of characters unrelated to anyone we know from the films, dealing with the Empire and Rebellion in their own way; presumably some Jedi scattered here and there but off in hiding rather than taking the fight to the Empire.)

A few throwaway lines in the novels say that the clones all have rather large 'flaws' - they're highly susceptible to orders and authority to varying degrees (IE, the grunts do whatever anyone ever tells them, the commanders have some leniency) and they're apparently programmed to never be bothered by the fact that they were grown to be cannon fodder.

I don't think like most of them even have names. Just numbers.

Bears adding that they're free to jettison absolutely anything that's been established in the EU (and frankly Lucas has always played pretty fast-and-loose with the continuity from the films themselves), but all that makes pretty good sense.  What's the point of using clones if they're NOT going to be interchangeable cogs who follow orders?

The best episode of Clone Wars I've seen involves a clone who's deserted and started a family.  I like the idea that some of them find a way to become individuals, but by and large they're fodder.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #373 on: February 06, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »

The rumors I've read suggest that they're not thinking of anything as foolish as recasting Han Solo

Today's rumors are different.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #374 on: February 06, 2013, 11:57:40 AM »

Ooh...was Jango gay?

While deviant xenophilia is totally legit, the Star Wars brand has specific instructions not to broach homosexuality.
I don't think this is going to change with Disney running the brand. At least not until Disney feels the public is comfortable enough with their stewardship to make a "risk" like that.
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #375 on: February 06, 2013, 12:48:40 PM »

ToR's got that Planet of the Gays now.  Course, it's a BioWare game.

(And yes confining same-sex couples to one planet is absolutely horrible from a storytelling perspective, but I think BioWare's defense that it's a testing thing to make sure everything works before a large-scale deployment is legit from a technical perspective.  Unless I'm late to the party and that's already been done?)

Disney's been extremely gay-friendly as a corporation (to the point of provoking not-very-successful boycotts from Southern Baptists and suchlike groups), but you're right that I can't think of any examples of LGBT characters in its children's entertainment branch.  (No, Mulan dressing as a man to serve in combat does not count, and anyone whose takeaway from Brave is "Merida must be a lesbian" has missed the point as badly as people who insist Bert and Ernie are a couple.)
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #376 on: February 06, 2013, 12:59:41 PM »

A few throwaway lines in the novels say that the clones all have rather large 'flaws' - they're highly susceptible to orders and authority to varying degrees (IE, the grunts do whatever anyone ever tells them, the commanders have some leniency) and they're apparently programmed to never be bothered by the fact that they were grown to be cannon fodder.

I don't think like most of them even have names. Just numbers.

Bears adding that they're free to jettison absolutely anything that's been established in the EU (and frankly Lucas has always played pretty fast-and-loose with the continuity from the films themselves), but all that makes pretty good sense.  What's the point of using clones if they're NOT going to be interchangeable cogs who follow orders?

The best episode of Clone Wars I've seen involves a clone who's deserted and started a family.  I like the idea that some of them find a way to become individuals, but by and large they're fodder.

When I say novels I mean the novels of the movies. Although Star Wars has it's own weird canon thing, so they probably do count as EU

Fake Edit: Okay, apparently the novelizations of the movies are to be treated at the same canon level as the movies themselves. (Source)
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #377 on: February 06, 2013, 01:01:41 PM »

I just attributed the lack of LGBT characters in Star Wars to the fact that the only two characters to have a romantic relationship across all six movies were Han and Leia.

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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #378 on: February 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM »

Hey, it's extremely offensive to discount the relationship between Anakin and Padme.

Just because they're both special needs and don't know how to go about it is no reason to be rude
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Re: I'm a Star Wars
« Reply #379 on: February 06, 2013, 01:25:39 PM »

Owen and Beru! I can't believe you guys are forgetting the erotic tension in the blue milk scene from IV. What do you think moisture farmers do in the desert all day? Pray and sweep?
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