Topic: Seeing Eye Wolf (Read 9224 times)

Aneeko · « **Reply #80 on:** September 22, 2011, 09:01:55 PM »

Sorry, I wasn't given a role list overnight. But hey, lynch more innocents. 'Swhat you guys are good at!

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #81 on:** September 22, 2011, 11:26:04 PM »

I am currently inclined to trust Aneeko.

But that's just a gut feeling, not the result of anything I learned. I'm going to tell you some things I know. No point in trying to hide that I was told that I'm the Seer. I was also told that there's a Fool, though Lottel didn't specify whether the Fool gets reversed results or randomized ones. If you were also told you're the Seer, we might want to think about getting in contact with each other, if you trust me enough. We may be able to solve the mystery of who's who. (Or maybe Lottel was lying about the existence of the Fool. I wouldn't put it past him.)

I found a wolf, too!

Without a baner, I'm probably doomed, so I will continue to play this in an unorthodox manner. In order to maximize the information the innocents retain after my death, I'm going to wait about a real-time day to reveal the identity of the one I found. If y'all just pile on and kill 'em, you'll know whether I'm trustworthy or not (you won't know if it's because I'm a wolf or the Fool; while it would be game-breaking in fairly obvious ways if my two accounts were on opposite teams, that doesn't itself count as evidence that it didn't happen), but you won't learn anything about the other wolves, and neither I nor the other possible Seer will have a chance to learn much about each other.

Lottel, I would like to request a special dispensation: if on the off chance somebody attains a majority vote before I have voted, may I nevertheless please be allowed to cast my vote before you carry out the lynch? It need not change the outcome or allow people to change their minds, but I don't want to carry this information to my grave if I can avoid it.

Lottel · « **Reply #82 on:** September 22, 2011, 11:50:29 PM »

Sure sure. It's a slow enough game. Hell, chances are that there will only be a post or two before you post anyway.

the asshole you hate · « **Reply #83 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:35:19 AM »

Quote from: Lottel on September 22, 2011, 11:50:29 PM

Sure sure. It's a slow enough game. Hell, chances are that there will only be a post or two before you post anyway.

If he's the seer or whatever he should have to take that risk himself. If he's hanged before revealing, then that's on him!! :purist:

Not that I'm him pretending not to be him pretending I'm him by pretending to be dismissive with this sentence or anything.

Kayma · « **Reply #84 on:** September 23, 2011, 04:02:47 AM »

I'm with the camera. That's a little fucked up.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #85 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:13:34 AM »

Even VvW had a rule to keep days from ending before everyone had been given a chance to say their piece (although as I recall the last day of VIII ended before Romosome could convince everyone to not lynch him).

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #86 on:** September 23, 2011, 11:16:57 AM »

Well, it's like they said: It's probably not going to come up. But if it does, you'll know whom to blame for it.

座頭市 · « **Reply #87 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:46:40 PM »

Interesting. I scried someone last night and was told that they were The Fool, but it was not you. I highly doubt that there are three seer/fool candidates on the innocent team, so I guess I'm going to have to go back to voting Big Bad Wolf.

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #88 on:** September 23, 2011, 01:35:42 PM »

It so happens I've already been contacted by someone who claimed that they had determined that they were the fool. This person was not you. Very interesting. Whether or not this person wishes to come forward, I leave to their own discretion. I found their case somewhat convincing, as the best alternative explanation involves collaboration among wolves, which seems unlikely this early in the game.

Well, I'll tell you what I found. If you found a Fool who wasn't me, then either the person you scried is the Fool or you yourself are (depending on exactly how the Fool works). In either case, that makes me the Seer and my contact a wolf. If you didn't find anything because you are a wolf, then my contact is the most likely Fool, which makes me the Seer.

I'll just go ahead and divulge the result of my scry now: Lynx-O is a wolf. I currently consider him the most effective choice for the lynch.

So we've got a number of possibilities here. Conventionally, we'd assume that one of us three is a bad. My alibi is based on the fact that I had two accounts. It would be really weird for these accounts to be on opposite teams. My contact is ballsy enough to claim Fool privately rather than publicly after I asked for all suspected Seers or Fools to come forth, and may have further words in their defense if they wish to identify themselves publicly; if they are lying, they did so to gain nothing more than a shred of my confidence, because I had already announced my intention to see to it that everybody knows what I know. You, meanwhile, are voting for the seer....

Alternatively, Lottel could be fucking with us in even more impressive ways and all of this is for naught. Who's to say there aren't three fools, or, for that matter, no wolves? However, the fact that he gave me two accounts suggests that there might be clues in other players' roles, in which case I would like to reiterate that anybody who has evidence that Things Are Not As They Seem should come forth.

座頭市 · « **Reply #89 on:** September 23, 2011, 01:58:41 PM »

My theory is that you did not start the game with two accounts, but that your power is to possess the account of one other player, which you did to Septuagenarian at some point after the beginning of day 1. Furthermore, you are lying both about being the Seer and about having scried Lynx-O as a wolf, and either I am the true Seer or the aforementioned third candidate is.

I can imagine him figuring out on his own that he is the Fool by scrying Geordi last night, getting wolf as a result, and seeing him turn up innocent this morning.

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #90 on:** September 23, 2011, 02:17:39 PM »

That's what they told me.

Account-stealing seems like so much more of a night action thing to do, doesn't it?

Drizzt · « **Reply #91 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:16:34 PM »

Actually... the account stealing makes sense. Its a cool role, it would only really work with anonymous accounts, and it actually fits the facts. Big Bad Wolf

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #92 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:28:58 PM »

This makes no sense. Look: The hypothesis is that I am a uniquely-powered bad who stole Septuagenarian's account, right? If that's so, then why would Septuagenarian have showed up as a vanilla innocent when he died? The proposition is self-defeating.

Drizzt · « **Reply #93 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:31:41 PM »

lets say for a moment you are a bad who can hijack accounts. It looked like you were on the way to being lynched. You stole septu's account and in one stop both stopped the lynch AND made yourself look innocent. If you arent lying, that means there are 3 people who were told they are the seer? not likely.

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #94 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:40:42 PM »

Yes, I understood your accusation. However, let's look at some facts.

When Septuagenarian was lynched, the result was vanilla innocent. Unless you're trying to claim that a hijacked account would show no signs of hijacking upon death, the only way that can happen is that Septuagenarian was a vanilla innocent.

The role PM that went out to seers and fools explicitly said that a fool existed. Therefore there had to have been at least two possible seers. For three people to claim seer means that at most one of them is lying, which is a very reasonable number of liars.

Are you Envy?

Drizzt · « **Reply #95 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:48:45 PM »

I don't understand why the fact that he was vanilla matters at all. Can you explain that to me please?

Also, who is this Envy? I am clearly Drizzt.

Aneeko · « **Reply #96 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on September 23, 2011, 05:40:42 PM

When Septuagenarian was lynched, the result was vanilla innocent. Unless you're trying to claim that a hijacked account would show no signs of hijacking upon death, the only way that can happen is that Septuagenarian was a vanilla innocent.

It almost defeats the purpose of an account hijacker if we all know it was hijacked. As it stands we'll never know, because he's dead.

1. What kind of "vanilla innocent" starts the game with extra information? Doesn't sound vanilla at all to me!
2. Why did the town lynch 1 out of 2 semi-proven innocents yesterday? If 2 people are claiming to be innocent and they claim to know each other to be innocent, doesn't it make sense to vote for someone that isn't part of that group? Furthermore, why did you want us to lynch the innocent? That goes directly against town, even if it means clearing the seer (because there are other ways to do that). And after sacrificing an innocent to keep your seer role alive, you come out and say "well my only protector is dead so I might as well come out and tell you guys that I'm a super important town role instead of trying to keep my head down."

What the hell kind of game are you playing at?

Aneeko · « **Reply #97 on:** September 23, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »

For the record, I agree with a Lynx-o lynch for the moment, but I hope we have a vigilante who can shoot this fucker if Lynx-o flips innocent.

Big Bad Wolf · « **Reply #98 on:** September 23, 2011, 06:21:22 PM »

Being in control of two accounts is an extraordinary claim. Of course I needed extraordinary evidence to back it up. Desperate measures were necessary to protect the seer, who was on the verge of being lynched. Information is everything for the innocents, and I chose the course of action that would result in a known seer being trusted and protected for as long as possible. And if you go ahead with this boneheaded plan to lynch me based on outlandish conjecture, you will still gain information from my seerhood, as I leave behind a record of the one person I was able to scry.

The idea of an account-stealer that leaves no indication even on death is a wonderful invention, because there's no way you can prove it even exists until it wins. You're saying that there's a player who can steal another player's account during the day phase before anyone else has had a chance to act, that accounts stolen by this player still look like they were controlled by their original player even when the GM reveals everything about them, and that this is in addition to wolves, plural, who have a night kill and innocent roles who presumably behave more conventionally as evidenced by the existence of baners and seers and fools. It's just not logical. I know you don't trust me, and I know this game is unconventional, but at least come up with a more plausible story than a paranoid delusion that implies we're in a virtually unwinnable game.

I've done more for the innocents than anyone. I stopped you lynching the seer on the first day. I've left behind the name of a wolf, and ensured that the fool knows they're the fool. Plus you've seen who's against me surviving. Without the baner I'm likely to die tonight, and then you'll have your proof, but if you're that impatient you can make sure that two of the wolves' enemies are dead by tomorrow instead of just one.

Drizzt · « **Reply #99 on:** September 23, 2011, 06:38:00 PM »

Unvote. I don't trust you, but you have spoken a lot and haven't said anything that sticks out as an obvious lie or a blatant wolf tell. If you are bad, you are a good player. I've seen a lot of terrible wolf players, so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

Once the game is over, are we going to learn who each person really was?

News:

Author Topic: Seeing Eye Wolf (Read 9224 times)