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[Caithness]

I find it hard to believe a power that potent could be used more than once.

[Ziiro]

NexAdruin: I can't say I blame you. Let me sum up how I feel about this game



Another note I'll make about portals:

Envy steps through the portal with the permission of Chell and is once more unlabeled and alive.

I can't tell if this is fluff or part of the ability.

Anyway. I'll toss it right back at you, NexAdruin.

because fuck, why not.

[botticus]

What's got me scratching my head is if it's one time use or it can be used each recharge, like Envy's power. It's an incredible power if it does what I think it does, however if it could only be used once, using it to save the first lynch is a bit odd.

If the first portal is placed after the identity of the lynch is revealed, it doesn't matter whether it's the first lynch or the fifth lynch, it's a saved clean core.  I guess we'll find out as we go if it can be used again.  I would tend to believe it can't, unless something changes about the person who goes through it - otherwise it could just resurrect uncorrupted cores all game long.

If we're voting and getting this day rolling, I choose Classic for being a lemming, trying to jump through portals.  Who does that.

[Nickasummers]

Day 2 and three people have made votes for ridiculous reasons. That is somewhat strange. Even if a seer doesn't out themselves, usually someone has a strongly supported hunch by now.

[Classic]

I'm afraid I don't have any hunches... But is Envy actually aware that he's come back from the dead?

[Kayma]

I have no idea what's going on and this place is a clusterfuck. I hereby offer my vote to anyone who has anything remotely salient to argue for.

[Ardus]

For all we know, Envy knows he is alive and is playing his usual silent game.

Also-- has anyone noticed "

Envy steps through the portal with the permission of Chell and is once more unlabeled and alive.

Think about this match for a moment. We are all personality cores, whether corrupted or uncorrupted, who are trying to find the corrupted cores and mark them for destruction. Last I checked, Chell was NOT a personality core. Seems a little fishy >:( Having trouble making any heads or tales of any of this. How are we supposed to hunt down the corrupted cores when its difficult to even follow what the heck is going on?

[Classic]

Yes. About that...

Wait.
Does that mean Envy is now corrupted? Should we try to make sure that he's dead now? Is this an awesome stalling tactic?

I don't know if there's even a point to marking Envy again until whomever has this awesome resurrection power is destroyed. If they can resurrect indefinitely, continuously slaying Envy gets us nothing.

[NexAdruin]

Classic wanting to kill whomever just res'd an innocent.

[Envy]

I'm very much here and I'm trying to analyze things thoroughly. Chell could be just the name of one of the personality cores made for this game though. I mean it's pretty hard to notice someone isn't a personality core.

[Classic]

That's true, but you'll forgive me if that little flavor tip-off doesn't get me antsy. G is a fan of "subtle" flavor text tip-offs. Like a character named Chell, with portal powers, being on the side of the corrupted cores.

Classic wanting to kill whomever just res'd an innocent.

It's like you don't know how to read. I am very seriously concerned that Envy is now corrupted and that our main method of dealing with incorrect labels is in the hands of the corrupted cores.

[falselogic]

Classic wanting to kill whomever just res'd an innocent.

Finally, something that makes sense. I don't see how a confirmed innocent can hurt the game and I certainly don't understand why you'd go after the person who brought Envy back. In fact, bringing confirmed innocents back is the perfect way to build a block for winning the game.

Classic

EDIT: Are all mafia games on this server lies? Do the GMs all make rules within rules and such? Are we not supposed to take anything at face value even the things from the GM? If so why the fuck would you ever play? I can understand not trusting your fellow players but I don't understand distrusting the GM... This is only my second game here so if there is some meta aspect I'm missing I'd appreciate being let in on it.

[Nickasummers]

Classic, I think you are just being paranoid, but at the same time what you are saying is nowhere near impossible. The main reason I think you are wrong is that it would make the bads way too powerful, especially because if they can corrupt a "known innocent" then innocents know nothing.

[Classic]

False: Edits in this wolf thread are the express privilege of the moderator. i.e. Don't do 'em.

Nicka: I don't see the hypothetical corrupting power as "innocents know nothing". We already know Envy's abilities and how much he can drain the hub. A big advantage. It's also possible that the resurrection can't take place without a lot of hub energy or that it relies on a separate, more limited pool of energy.

There's the very real chance we've ceded the ability to control corrupted tags to the bads, and three people are dismissing this as crazy for some reason.

[Classic]

You know, fuck it, NexAdruin for maliciously misrepresenting my opinions and concerns. If he's not corrupted he's got some fatal programming errors.

[falselogic]

False: Edits in this wolf thread are the express privilege of the moderator. i.e. Don't do 'em.

Nicka: I don't see the hypothetical corrupting power as "innocents know nothing". We already know Envy's abilities and how much he can drain the hub. A big advantage. It's also possible that the resurrection can't take place without a lot of hub energy or that it relies on a separate, more limited pool of energy.

There's the very real chance we've ceded the ability to control corrupted tags to the bads, and three people are dismissing this as crazy for some reason.

It wasn't a real edit. As Guild can tell you. I wrote something and went to post it when the forum software notified me someone else had posted in the meantime. So I read that message and revised mine.

I don't see how the cores have ceded anything to the bads. If you could explain?

[Caithness]

I dont want any phase to take long enough for me to lose all interest

This is my issue as well. Lets go with Envy is corrupt.

I'm going to vote Ziiro again, not because of the number three, but because of the same reasoning I used to vote for Ardus in Epsilon:

I dont understand what you mean by "doubly-me-too vote".

1. "Me too, I'll vote for Caithness because other people are doing it!"

2. "Me too, I also want this game to proceed faster than it's going right now!"

Two me-toos in a single vote.

Replace my name with Envy and Ardus with Ziiro, and you've almost got a post that would fit perfectly in this game.

[Classic]

You know, fuck it, NexAdruin for maliciously misrepresenting my opinions and concerns. If he's not corrupted he's got some fatal programming errors.

BTW I'm talking about this:

Classic wanting to kill whomever just res'd an innocent.

Nicka: I don't see the hypothetical corrupting power as "innocents know nothing"...
There's the very real chance we've ceded the ability to control corrupted tags to the bads, and three people are dismissing this as crazy for some reason.

I don't see how the cores have ceded anything to the bads. If you could explain?

I'm hypothesizing that when the flavor text mentions Chell, the human character from the Portal series, which stars GLaDOS, we have reason to suspect the mechanics or motives of the action or character undertaking the action.

The reason, if you've got the amazing ability to return players to life and if you're an agent of the corrupted cores, to bring Envy back to life is one of the following:
1) You believe Envy so blisteringly stupid that him misusing his power will benefit you.
2) Your resurrection powers carry with them a new allegiance.
or...
3) You believe that the confusion over the ability/allegiance of the resurrected person will lead to a sure win.

Reason 3 is not mutually exclusive with either reason 1 or 2.

Does that make sense now?

[Nickasummers]

I am not at all saying you are crazy. Your logic is quite sound. But it also makes sense for an uncorrupted Chell to res envy because envy is a known innocent who is difficult to kill and useful to the innocents. In addition, if you assume a player can turn a publicly announced innocent into a corrupt, then the innocents are screwed because we now have no idea if envy is good or evil but do know envy has a powerful power. So if Chell is evil, we are screwed, and if Chell is good, all you are doing is creating mass misdirection.

[falselogic]

I am not at all saying you are crazy. Your logic is quite sound. But it also makes sense for an uncorrupted Chell to res envy because envy is a known innocent who is difficult to kill and useful to the innocents.

This was my thought as well which is why I asked the meta question. This whole not being able to trust either your fellow players or the GM seems like an awful premise for a game. I wish Envy would speak up and perhaps tell us if he knows anything more about his rez?