Topic: Closed Werewolf Iota - A Phase (Read 19105 times)

Classic · « **Reply #140 on:** October 21, 2011, 09:59:16 AM »

How do you figure mass misdirection? I haven't once advocated re-marking Envy. I've only advocated seeking out whoever has that power and figuring out if they're innocent or not. That power is more useful to innocent victory than a seer.

Huh, come to think of it, it's obviously more useful to innocent victory than a seer. It's got to be corrupted aligned or has some serious catches that we're not yet privy to.

Classic · « **Reply #141 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:06:01 AM »

This whole not being able to trust either your fellow players[/quote]
That's the premise of wolf/mafia isn't it?

Quote from: falselogic on October 21, 2011, 09:58:28 AM

or the GM seems like an awful premise for a game.

Funny story, the both times I've played G gave me a role that actually didn't have accurate information about their victory conditions.

The first time, I thought I'd lose if I voted for an innocent. So I just never voted. It turned out I didn't actually have any such restrictions and had a normal innocent victory (except that the innocents lost). G said in the post-mortem that he didn't believe this was actually a good or fun mechanic.

The second time, we had a murderous individual, and a semi-informed minority. The wolves were a potential bloc of four players each with scrying powers, two of whom had no idea that they were wolves. I never got the message that I was actually a wolf, so in spite of the fact that I should have been playing with my wolves in my full confidence I treated them like an opposing team and contrived to get them swiftly slain.
I lost that game too btw.

Classic · « **Reply #142 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:06:37 AM »

Quote from: falselogic on October 21, 2011, 09:58:28 AM

This whole not being able to trust either your fellow players

That's the premise of wolf/mafia isn't it?
Quote from: falselogic on Today at 09:58:28 AM
or the GM seems like an awful premise for a game.
Funny story, the both times I've played G gave me a role that actually didn't have accurate information about their victory conditions.

The first time, I thought I'd lose if I voted for an innocent. So I just never voted. It turned out I didn't actually have any such restrictions and had a normal innocent victory (except that the innocents lost). G said in the post-mortem that he didn't believe this was actually a good or fun mechanic.

The second time, we had a murderous individual, and a semi-informed minority. The wolves were a potential bloc of four players each with scrying powers, two of whom had no idea that they were wolves. I never got the message that I was actually a wolf, so in spite of the fact that I should have been playing with my wolves in my full confidence I treated them like an opposing team and contrived to get them swiftly slain.
I lost that game too btw.

Classic · « **Reply #143 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:07:51 AM »

Quote from: falselogic on October 21, 2011, 09:58:28 AM

This whole not being able to trust either your fellow players

That's the premise of wolf/mafia isn't it?
or the GM seems like an awful premise for a game.[/quote]
Funny story, the both times I've played G gave me a role that actually didn't have accurate information about their victory conditions.

The first time, I thought I'd lose if I voted for an innocent. So I just never voted. It turned out I didn't actually have any such restrictions and had a normal innocent victory (except that the innocents lost). G said in the post-mortem that he didn't believe this was actually a good or fun mechanic.

The second time, we had a murderous individual, and a semi-informed minority. The wolves were a potential bloc of four players each with scrying powers, two of whom had no idea that they were wolves. I never got the message that I was actually a wolf, so in spite of the fact that I should have been playing with my wolves in my full confidence I treated them like an opposing team and contrived to get them swiftly slain.
I lost that game too btw.

Fuck fuck fuck. G, permission to clean up those two oopsies?

Classic · « **Reply #144 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:08:40 AM »

Quote from: falselogic on October 21, 2011, 09:58:28 AM

This whole not being able to trust either your fellow players

That's the premise of wolf/mafia isn't it?

Quote from: falselogic on October 21, 2011, 09:58:28 AM

or the GM seems like an awful premise for a game.

Funny story, the both times I've played G gave me a role that actually didn't have accurate information about their victory conditions.

The first time, I thought I'd lose if I voted for an innocent. So I just never voted. It turned out I didn't actually have any such restrictions and had a normal innocent victory (except that the innocents lost). G said in the post-mortem that he didn't believe this was actually a good or fun mechanic.

The second time, we had a murderous individual, and a semi-informed minority. The wolves were a potential bloc of four players each with scrying powers, two of whom had no idea that they were wolves. I never got the message that I was actually a wolf, so in spite of the fact that I should have been playing with my wolves in my full confidence I treated them like an opposing team and contrived to get them swiftly slain.
I lost that game too btw.

Fuck fuck fuck. G, permission to clean up those ~~two~~ three oopsies?

falselogic · « **Reply #145 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:10:43 AM »

I know not trusting your fellow players is normal it wouldn't be mafia/werewolf otherwise.

It's the added part of not being able to trust the GM that bothers me...

Ziiro · « **Reply #146 on:** October 21, 2011, 10:15:09 AM »

I'm inclined to agree with Classic's line of thinking that the portal may have corrupted Envy, but I'm not ready to vote him out because of this. I am going to take Nickasummer's point of view on this because I think if it did corrupt him, there's no way we can win this.

It really feels like we're in the same place as 1A right now. If there's a Seer and they know something, we really don't know if they're acting on it. I'm going to keep reading through 2A's post to see if I can glean anything [spoiler]probably not[/spoiler]

NexAdruin · « **Reply #147 on:** October 21, 2011, 11:32:34 AM »

Sure is revenge votes in here.

Classic · « **Reply #148 on:** October 21, 2011, 12:30:07 PM »

Nex. You are not retarded. You are deliberately trying to recast what I've been saying into something it's not for what I can only imagine suits the purposes of your team. In any case, I have serious doubts that you're playing on the innocent team.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #149 on:** October 21, 2011, 01:39:39 PM »

You've been saying Envy is possibly turned. From what I can tell the only way to know is to relynch him (which I'd be all for!). Instead of relynching him and seeing what happens, you want to attempt to track down whomever resurrected him and find out if they're innocent or corrupted. By doing... What? Are you going to ask him? Or are you going to sink your teeth in him and show us all for sure what alignment he was? More importantly, how do you expect to track him down? Are you going to deduce in front of us who it is given the tiny bit of information we have? I'd like to see that.

Classic · « **Reply #150 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:12:39 PM »

Quote from: NexAdruin on October 21, 2011, 01:39:39 PM

From what I can tell the only way to know is to relynch him (which I'd be all for!).

This is a stupid move, because for all we know the resurrection ability is infinite and we'd just be wasting innocent's time. I plan to track down Chell the same way I'd track down any other corrupted unit. How I plan to do that I'll leave as an exercise to the reader.
[spoiler]At this point I'm going to watch labels and silence very carefully.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #151 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:16:22 PM »

Except that killing Envy would hopefully reveal his alignment, so it'd tell us if his alignment changed between last time we killed him and this time we killed him.

Guild · « **Reply #152 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:24:54 PM »

Votecount 7 - Phase 2A
Kayma - 0 - (none)
Nickasummers - 0 - (none)
Caithness - 0 - (none)
NexAdruin - 2 - (Ziiro, Classic)
Envy - 0 - (none)
Ardus - 0 - (none)
falselogic - 0 - (none)
Classic - 3 - (Botticus, NexAdruin, falselogic)
Lottel - 0 - (none)
Ziiro - 1 - (Caithness)

With 10 living cores unlabeled it takes 6 bolded names to label a core CORRUPTED. Hub: 10

Classic · « **Reply #153 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:27:29 PM »

Innocent or corrupted Envy has every reason to unmark himself at every opportunity. Trying to slay Envy is almost certain to cause us to just waste turns.

Ziiro · « **Reply #154 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:31:49 PM »

Don't know how much the rez portal costs in power, but Envy can't un-label right now:

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You also have an ability which costs five units of power Once per time the hub recharges, you can remove the label from one player who has been labeled CORRUPTED.

Ziiro · « **Reply #155 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:32:26 PM »

Okay I guess he can the hub reset somehow during this phase

nevermind

Ziiro · « **Reply #156 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:36:16 PM »

Quote from: GLaDOS on October 20, 2011, 11:54:15 AM

Hub: 3

Quote from: GLaDOS on October 21, 2011, 02:24:54 PM

Hub: 10

To make sure I understand: the hub was drained and reset in this phase (2A), and we weren't alerted, GLaDOS?

Classic · « **Reply #157 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:37:10 PM »

I guess I could drain it?

falselogic · « **Reply #158 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:40:18 PM »

Quote from: Ziiro on October 21, 2011, 02:36:16 PM

Quote from: GLaDOS on October 20, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
Hub: 3

Quote from: GLaDOS on October 21, 2011, 02:24:54 PM
Hub: 10

To make sure I understand: the hub was drained and reset in this phase (2A), and we weren't alerted, GLaDOS?

My guess is that some cores have the ability to recharge the core somewhat...? This would be an especially good power for a corrupted core, seeing as they can't be killed until the hub is drained. Though it'd be just as good for the normal cores too if you could turn a wagon around...

I get the feeling that there is a lot going on in the background of this game that no one seems to be privy to.

Classic · « **Reply #159 on:** October 21, 2011, 02:44:10 PM »

I'm guessing that it was a big drain rather than a recharge.

Everyone can drain, right?

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