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[Classic]

So what'd they greenlight instead? I'm assuming its direct competition was either Jimmy Neutron or ChalkZone.

His wiki page mentions the show, but apparently he was stepping on toes by joining the WGA, among other things.

[Mongrel]

That mouth block... uh, that was a new move. 

[Thad]

Beavis and Butt-Head: First half good, second half phoned in, best part was, as expected, the Jersey Shore mockery.

[Thad]

Fridge Logic on Family Guy: I suppose you can handwave that Brian found a way to prevent the hijackers from getting on the other three planes.

But 1999 Brian claiming credit for writing Harry Potter would have been tricky, as the FIRST THREE BOOKS had already been published by then.

[Thad]

Man, Allen Gregory sure is terrible.

I mean, the opening titles are pretty cool.  And I generally think Jonah Hill's pretty all right.  It's not even that I can't watch a show with unlikable protagonists -- if you look to your left you'll see a Charlie Kelly lyric -- but I just spend every minute of the show wanting someone to beat the smarmy little bastard relentlessly, and it never comes.

This is by the same people who did that Kid Notorious shit some years back, right?  At any rate it's the same animation and the same smug, self-indulgent bullshit masquerading as comedy.

I guess my point is, where the fuck is Bob's Burgers?

[Mongrel]

In a topical coincidence, (see the 2012 election thread) someone sent me this today:

an interesting perspective on scooby-doo.

The very first rule of Scooby-Doo, the single premise that sits at the heart of their adventures, is that the world is full of grown-ups who lie to kids, and that it's up to those kids to figure out what those lies are and call them on it, even if there are other adults who believe those lies with every fiber of their being. And the way that you win isn't through supernatural powers, or even through fighting. The way that you win is by doing the most dangerous thing that any person being lied to by someone in power can do: You think.

[Thad]

Yeah, that was the premise of my uncle's piece, The End of Reason, which he painted as a critique of the Scooby-Doo movie.

EDIT: It's the last entry on his My Life in Comics page.

[Caithness]

Yeah, that was the premise of my uncle's piece, The End of Reason, which he painted as a critique of the Scooby-Doo movie.

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[Thad]

Fixed (I think); thanks.

[Thad]

(EDIT: Splitmerged from a conversation about an upcoming South Park game.)

I am told South Park still has its moments.

Haven't actually watched it in about 5 years.

Am bemused that a show that took potshots at Atlas Shrugged as the worst piece of trash ever written then went on to become pretty much week after week of Atlas Shrugged with fart jokes.

I think the problem is that at some point, since Cartman was the only principal character with a shred of personality, both the audience and the creators started to think he should be the personal identification character.

[Stush]

They act like cartman is the worst guy, but in one episode, he tries to get family guy cancelled, so he's obviously the most noble character on the show.

I've recently watched like, seasons 1-12 of south park, and i've really enjoyed it! I haven't seen any of the newer stuff, though.

[Beat Bandit]

South Park certainly still has very good episodes, and besides that I don't Trey Parker has ever worked on a project that hasn't made me laugh out loud a few times.

but I guess hatters just gotta' hate

[Thad]

They act like cartman is the worst guy, but in one episode, he tries to get family guy cancelled, so he's obviously the most noble character on the show.

Right, that's about the point I quit watching.

What, you mean that twenty-two minutes isn't enough time to point out that Family Guy is based entirely around random cutaway gags?  Better make it a two-parter!

There was a Family Guy a couple weeks ago that did a much better job of mocking Family Guy.  They traveled to the future and the cutaway gags had gotten so lazy that they were just Peter saying "Matthew McConaughey is terrible."  It was one joke in an incredibly self-referential-even-by-Family-Guy's-standards episode of Family Guy, but it worked out quite nicely, and indeed that was the best episode Family Guy's had in ages.

Part of it is probably the simple issue of glass houses.  It's generally more satisfying to see someone mock their own work than somebody else's.  It's notable that one of the funniest bits in that two-parter was how people kept telling Cartman he'd gotten too political and wasn't funny anymore.  It was a far-too-brief acknowledgement that yes, our shit stinks too.

[Stush]

Hatters gotta hat

[Niku]

The stuff they've been doing with Kenny for the past couple of seasons has actually been legitimately interesting, albeit attached to yet another three part episode at one point, and the mid-season finale this time around was a hair's breadth away from becoming incredibly ballsy even if they dropped most of the ball on it in the back half.

[Thad]

Hatters gotta hat

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The stuff they've been doing with Kenny for the past couple of seasons has actually been legitimately interesting, albeit attached to yet another three part episode at one point, and the mid-season finale this time around was a hair's breadth away from becoming incredibly ballsy even if they dropped most of the ball on it in the back half.

Yeah, they seem to have trouble pulling the damn trigger.  I'm sure that's mostly the network, seeing as in the recent past Parker and Stone have gotten them actual death threats, but I'm not gonna lie, those guys strike me as far less ballsy than they act, too.

Anyhow, nice to hear it's still got some good shit in there.  But if I'm going to pick the corn out of the shit of a cartoon that used to be mostly corn, well, I've already got Simpsons and Family Guy for that.

[Niku]

Yeah, in most minor spoiler way possible for this season, [spoiler]the mid-season finale and return basically set up a drastic change to the status quo of the show and then killed it at the last minute and never mentioned it again for the rest of the season.  It was disappointing mostly because the unexpectedness and the way Matt and Trey have been on record saying that their hearts and creativity have been on Broadway made it seem like they might actually try to make some changes in order to reinvigorate themselves.  Alas.[/spoiler]

Of the last three seasons, I'd probably recommend (in order of airing) The Ring and The Coon from season 13, Medicinal Fried Chicken (if only for the goddamn music making me laugh like a lunatic at certain bits) the two-parter (200 and 201) and the three-parter (Coon 2 etc) from season 14, and You're Getting Old, Ass Burgers, and Broadway Bro-down from season 15 if anyone was going to cherry pick.  Even the weakest episodes have generally had something amusing about them, though I honestly couldn't tell you why I've actually kept up with South Park after dropping both Simpsons and Family Guy, since they all seem to have about the same hit or miss ratio these days.

[Doom]

South Park chat.

[spoiler]They just abandoned the Stan sees everything as Shit episode? Yeah, no more real confirmation needed that Parker and Stone are secret cowards.[/spoiler]

[Thad]

I saw The Coon.  Good cheap laughs.  Wasn't sure when Mr. Garrison became a dude again.

[Disposable Ninja]

There was an episode about that where she/he paid some scientists to grow a penis on a mouse's back.

There was a moving duet between the mouse and the penis against a moonlit night.