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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #380 on: December 06, 2011, 08:01:17 AM »

The 99% usually aspire to be part of the 20% or the 10%. This is part of the brilliance of 99%, because it finally put most of the American population against a group they'll never be part of.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #381 on: December 06, 2011, 08:05:35 AM »

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"Go get a bath right after you get a job," snarls Newt Gingrich, an influence-peddler who's had no legitimate job for 15 years and exists only to give the word "hypocrisy" a human face.

From yonder opinion piece about OWS. The collection grows!
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #382 on: December 06, 2011, 08:25:46 AM »

Fantastic piece on all fronts; thanks for the link.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #383 on: December 06, 2011, 08:56:23 AM »

Yeah, that was really good, Doom.

Now if only we could get that quote into the hands of some other candidiate. :glee:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #384 on: December 06, 2011, 11:30:51 AM »

I haven't read Doom's link in full yet, but would like to point out a bit of an issue with the lead-in (regarding the Chapel Hill police).  While they did arm and armor themselves to clear a vacant building and no crime more severe than protesting was taking place there, this was the same group who have been holding meetings to "burn Greenbridge [a fairly affordable, but multimillion-dollar supergreen condo complex that just went up in the their neighborhood] to the ground" for months, and just two months ago actually broke into the bottom floor of Greenbridge with bricks and started breaking and burning things from the art and retail spaces which occupy the ground level.

They were all evicted from their rented homes shortly after because they stopped paying their rent as a nonviolent protest against the gentrification of their neighborhood and were squatting the unoccupied building, still holding their meetings at the Internationalist, and still spreading their nihilist attitude as well as ever.  While the cops turned out not to need their riot gear or anything, they were certainly justified in wearing it into a dark, vacant building occupied by previously violent protesters.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #385 on: December 06, 2011, 12:32:11 PM »

Few things say "I have absolutely zero understanding of how anything in this world works at all", like the old groaner of not paying your rent as a form of protest.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #386 on: December 07, 2011, 03:50:25 AM »

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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #387 on: December 07, 2011, 05:43:23 AM »

Huh, that's the most comprehensive effort I've seen so far. Also, while some of the "suggested points" are pretty hopelessly leftist, most aren't, and there are others that even the Tea Party would agree with 100%.

If they actually go through with the convention as the paper hopes, that may be A Thing.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #388 on: December 07, 2011, 07:42:33 AM »

Huh, that's the most comprehensive effort I've seen so far. Also, while some of the "suggested points" are pretty hopelessly leftist, most aren't, and there are others that even the Tea Party would agree with 100%.

That is how it is fucking done.  None of this "arriving at the table pre-compromised" shit.  Put things in there that you KNOW are going to get rejected, because that is how bargaining works.

Not crazy about the Paulian "end the Fed" nonsense, but nothing else rang an immediate false note.

Did I skim over the part about how they actually pick delegates?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #389 on: December 07, 2011, 08:48:46 AM »

Huh, that's the most comprehensive effort I've seen so far. Also, while some of the "suggested points" are pretty hopelessly leftist, most aren't, and there are others that even the Tea Party would agree with 100%.

That is how it is fucking done.  None of this "arriving at the table pre-compromised" shit.  Put things in there that you KNOW are going to get rejected, because that is how bargaining works.

[Joke about nobody telling the Democrats]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #390 on: December 07, 2011, 09:09:05 AM »

...I didn't think I was being subtle with that implication.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #391 on: December 07, 2011, 09:23:09 AM »

Raid on Occupy SF.  "At least 70" arrested, 2 of them allegedly for a valid reason (assault).  Violence appears to have been minimal, but

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Jack Martin, of San Francisco, said he was trying to leave the plaza when he was zip-tied, taken to a police station, cited and released. Officers trashed his tent and personal belongings, he said.

"I lost everything I owned," Martin, 51, said as tears welled up in his eyes. "Everything I owned is gone. My medicine, my paper for my Social Security."

He yelled at officers: "I was trying to get out of your way!"

So I guess still excessive and unacceptable but...at least nobody got their face bashed in?  The "better than their neighbors in Oakland" bar couldn't be much lower.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #392 on: December 07, 2011, 10:33:20 AM »

Uhg.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #393 on: December 07, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »

...I didn't think I was being subtle with that implication.

I think we flogged that horse dead many weeks ago, so an extra lick here or there probably makes no difference.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #394 on: December 07, 2011, 11:35:15 AM »

Huh, that's the most comprehensive effort I've seen so far. Also, while some of the "suggested points" are pretty hopelessly leftist, most aren't, and there are others that even the Tea Party would agree with 100%.

That is how it is fucking done.  None of this "arriving at the table pre-compromised" shit.  Put things in there that you KNOW are going to get rejected, because that is how bargaining works.

Not crazy about the Paulian "end the Fed" nonsense, but nothing else rang an immediate false note.

Did I skim over the part about how they actually pick delegates?

The problem I have about this is that the first half of the document you could easily get a tea partier behind, but then they go into the blurb about environmentalism and then it all goes out the wnidow. We need to create an environment where corproate brainwashing and politicking is not so prevelant before we convince the entire world that what is currently the pet issue of liberals is something that everyone needs to be concerned with. The focus of the 99% movement should be 100% on removing money from politics. Throwing in things like environmentalism (whcih is tenuously related, admittedly, but does not resonate with most americans the way hatred of corporate greed in government does) or, shit, weed legalization is just reducing the credibility of the movement and making it harder for the mainstream american to take it seriously.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #395 on: December 07, 2011, 11:40:40 AM »

[Joke about nobody telling Shinra either]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #396 on: December 08, 2011, 12:44:13 AM »

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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #397 on: December 09, 2011, 09:05:57 AM »

Charges dropped against Susie Cagle following her arrest at Occupy Oakland, thanks to the Society of Professional Journalists.  (HT)

Now to see about dropping the charges against everyone ELSE who didn't actually attack anybody.

(EDIT: per Daryl Cagle, the reports are false; charges are still pending.)

Speaking of attacking people as a good reason for being brought up on charges, SFPD sergeant orders officers: "If [Occupy protesters] do not do what you tell them, strike them."
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #398 on: December 12, 2011, 01:45:31 PM »

The LAPD, aghast that other city polices are also brutalizing civilians, steps up its game
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/04/1042410/-Occupy-LA:One-Marines-Account-of-Intimidation-by-LAPD-Video

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Re: Occupy Wall Street
« Reply #399 on: December 12, 2011, 08:06:32 PM »

Well, the video's gone. What happened? Did the LAPD actually resort to Al Capone-style strongarm tactics?
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