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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2011, 09:34:13 PM »

Oh now that's just a travesty.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2011, 10:46:26 PM »

This is going to be hilarious, isn't it?
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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2011, 07:08:53 AM »

Oh now that's just a travesty.

Oh no, it's gonna shit all over the good name of Akira!!!

It's not like this is a remake of something that wasn't terrible, people.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2011, 07:32:23 AM »

That is some weak-sauce trolling, TA; try again.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2011, 09:17:32 AM »

I was referring to the potential exclusion of motorcycles, actually.

But yes, this is going to be a travesty.
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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2011, 09:42:15 AM »

At this point we're really just here to watch the trainwreck, since no matter what else happens, the idea of remaking Akira as a live-action movie makes about as much sense as developing Crysis 2 for consoles.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2011, 09:55:20 AM »

Or using mocap for Tintin.
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« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2011, 11:03:59 AM »

I was really going for "products that push the limits of their original mediums at the exclusion of other considerations" but I guess Tintin sort of works.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2011, 11:14:22 AM »

And so it begins, fans are speaking out against the new Akira film as whitewashing

Yes, but somebody remade Metropolis as anime. 


They put one of ours in the hospital, we put one of theirs in the morgue.
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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2011, 11:29:48 AM »

I was really going for "products that push the limits of their original mediums at the exclusion of other considerations"

...but animation ISN'T Akira's original medium.
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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2011, 11:31:43 AM »

Point taken, but I don't think they're remaking the manga here.
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« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2011, 11:32:52 AM »

Except that the anime of Metropolis is the only way to watch it. Because silent movies man. SILENT MOVIES.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2011, 11:33:32 AM »

Point taken, but I don't think they're remaking the manga here.

I don't think they're remaking the anime, either.

Anyhow, yes, animation's got a lot more in common with its original medium than live-action does.

but I guess Tintin sort of works.

As far as "pushing the limits of the original medium at the exclusion of other considerations", I suppose the better analogy would be The Spirit.  But Tintin in any style but ligne claire kinda misses the point.

And Tintin in a style that is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE to ligne claire REALLY misses the point.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2011, 11:54:29 AM »

I liked it better when it was less detailed and called cell shading or more detailed and called Art Nouveau.

From an artists' view, the style this artist used created such illusion of 3d that there's a real satisfaction to seeing it expanded into three dimensions. I hope that helps.
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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2011, 11:55:57 AM »

Fritz Lang's Metropolis is actually pretty excellent and topical.   Go watch whichever one of the 3-4 versions on Netflix will make you feel like donning a sporting hat and caning your wife the least.
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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2011, 12:10:42 PM »

I liked it better when it was less detailed and called cell shading

...did you link the Wikipedia article on "cell damage" on purpose?

From an artists' view, the style this artist used created such illusion of 3d that there's a real satisfaction to seeing it expanded into three dimensions. I hope that helps.

Wait, are we talking about Herge, or Otomo?  (Or Tezuka, since Paco brought up Metropolis?)

Anyhow, assuming we're talking about Herge, the illusion of 3D you speak of comes down largely to his detailed, realistic backgrounds -- which work in contrast to his simpler, more iconic characters.  Tintin in the Uncanny Valley misses the point -- Tintin is not about a boy reporter, his dog, and their colorful supporting cast; it's about a very specific style of visual storytelling.  (Just as, as Alan Moore put it, The Spirit is not about Denny Colt fighting crime from a graveyard, it's about panels on a page.)

Anyhow.  You can absolutely create the illusion of depth in traditional animation, and do it gorgeously.  If you need an example, well, you could do a lot worse than Akira.

I forget, have you read Understanding Comics?  McCloud looks at Herge at some length, and my favorite chapter goes into the realistic-versus-iconic continuum.


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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2011, 12:51:40 PM »

For what it's worth, there were a series of mostly positively-received French-created live-action Tintin movies made in the 60's by Hergé's own Tintin studios, as well as an earlier stop-motion film. So there is ample precedent for Tintin in other mediums besides comics and traditional drawn animation.

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2011, 03:17:08 PM »

Yeah, I was speaking more to the Calvin problem: Calvin is drawn in a way that makes it impossible to find a 3D version of him that looks, from ALL angles, like Calvin. Calvin's mouth is the funkiest bit of conversion and his chin and hair are also problem areas. Herge started with a 3D model of Tintin in his/her head, then sketched him at various angles in two dimensions (though not completely consciously, I'd wager). Not all of her work follows this pattern, but it's like a reverse-engineering of how cell shading works, and I like it for the same reason I like particle specific force fields: I'm a huge nerd.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2011, 03:38:51 PM »

Hergé's a dude. Georges Remi -> GR -> RG -> Hergé.
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Re: TETSUOOOOOOOO
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2011, 03:54:27 PM »

Yore mom's a deud.
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