Topic: TETSUOOOOOOOO (Read 7022 times)

François · « **Reply #60 on:** November 30, 2011, 03:59:53 PM »

Sorry man, it's just that I'm a huge nerd when it comes to the gender of famous artists.

Niku · « **Reply #61 on:** November 30, 2011, 04:27:53 PM »

Sergé -> totally a girl -> Hergé

Lottel · « **Reply #62 on:** November 30, 2011, 04:50:17 PM »

I'm a dude. She's a dude. He's a dude.
We're all dudes, hey.

McDohl · « **Reply #63 on:** November 30, 2011, 05:46:52 PM »

Re: Calvin's hair.

From the modern Simpsons game, observe the way they animate Lisa's goofy anime hair spikes.

The Simpsons Game - Freeing Mr Sparkle (47)

And, on topic, the Comic Book Guy sumo wrestlers will sometimes randomly shout the thread title.

Guild · « **Reply #64 on:** November 30, 2011, 05:52:12 PM »

McDohl: That's the only good compromise, imho. Calvin's hair is mostly a well-refined scribble, which doesn't translate into ANY medium perfectly. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, though I feel like I noticed a less elaborate version of that in The Binding of Isaac recently. A few lumps and things are sided wonky in relation to each other, so at certain directions he'll have a lump opposite a rock and at others together with a rock, which I felt was a very minor annoyance.

Büge · « **Reply #65 on:** November 30, 2011, 09:49:55 PM »

Quote from: McDohl on November 30, 2011, 05:46:52 PM

The Simpsons Game - Freeing Mr Sparkle (47)

Man, Brentai, see what you missed by not finishing your LP?

Brentai · « **Reply #66 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:50:19 PM »

I have no tears left to shed.

Friday · « **Reply #67 on:** November 30, 2011, 11:12:52 PM »

Besides he has to finish Xenogears first

McDohl · « **Reply #68 on:** December 01, 2011, 03:21:45 AM »

To be fair, so do I.

Laugh harder

Thad · « **Reply #69 on:** December 01, 2011, 07:29:27 AM »

Guild: Interesting point on Calvin and one I hadn't thought of.

Regarding the Simpsons' hairstyles: Groening has said that he wanted them all recognizable in silhouette (like Fred Flintstone or Bullwinkle). Lisa's hair has ten points viewed straight-on, which it almost never is; in the standard 3/4 view you see eight of them. (In three dimensions, of course, she has more.)

The 3/4 view is typical of most cartoons and comics. Off the top of my head I think the newspaper "funnies" tend to be an exception; you frequently see Charlie Brown or Calvin either straight-on or in full profile. (In fact I believe a "3/4 view" in Peanuts consists of Chuck facing the viewer while his body is shown in profile. I think I saw somebody do a full rotation animation of Charlie Brown's head recently; it was weird.)

I can't quite picture Calvin in 3D, and Charlie Brown in 3D looks a lot like a face drawn on a balloon. You're right that Tintin is easier to picture in 3D, but that's not the same thing as mocap; I'd be much more comfortable with a CG movie that hewed closer to Herge's style than GIANT CG PORES.

I'm certainly not opposed to CG movies (though I'd rather see more traditional animation), and I'm not opposed to mocap; Peter Jackson and Andy Serkis have more than proven themselves on that score. But I've yet to see a fully-mocap movie that really justified its existence as fully-mocap. It strikes me that mocap is best for sticking CG characters in live-action movies, and that building an entire movie out of it produces an unsatisfying middle-ground between cartoonish CG and fantastic live-action.

And of course 3D effects CAN be pulled off in hand-drawn animation -- some of the most impressive sequences Simpsons have ever done have rotated the "camera" around a character (like when Homer's mom becomes a hippie).

And again, the original Akira movie is just one of the most gorgeous examples of hand-drawn animation you're ever going to see. Lazy trolls can dismiss it for being an incoherent mess stretched out over an unoriginal premise, but that's not the goddamn point; the point is that it pushed the absolute limits of what its visual medium (media, really, since this goes for the manga too) is capable of.

Royal☭ · « **Reply #70 on:** December 01, 2011, 11:49:09 AM »

Actually saw a bunch of the painted backgrounds and cels from Akira at a comic convention I went to a few months back. Those things are freaking gorgeous, and the rich detail and the life in the brush strokes is just missing from modern 2D animation.

Büge · « **Reply #71 on:** December 01, 2011, 02:35:49 PM »

Quote from: Constantmean on December 01, 2011, 11:49:09 AM

Actually saw a bunch of the painted backgrounds and cels from Akira at a comic convention I went to a few months back. Those things are freaking gorgeous, and the rich detail and the life in the brush strokes is just mixing from modern 2D animation.

... uh, do you mean "missing"?

Mothra · « **Reply #72 on:** December 05, 2011, 09:24:25 AM »

I've been slowly making my way through the original manga for the first time, and yeah, it is completely in its own league in terms of detail. I have never seen a work convey its weird, weird-ass atmosphere so impossibly perfectly.

Put me down for This Movie Is Going To Be Genuinely Unforgivable

Caithness · « **Reply #73 on:** December 05, 2011, 09:30:29 AM »

Quote from: Mothra on December 05, 2011, 09:24:25 AM

it is completely in its own league in terms of detail.

I don't know about that. Have you ever read Nausicaä?

TA · « **Reply #74 on:** December 05, 2011, 09:30:56 AM »

Berserk.

Brentai · « **Reply #75 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:05:52 AM »

Berserk's atmosphere might have been weird when it started, but "a world where absolutely everything is total shit" is starting to become more and more familiar.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #76 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:18:32 AM »

Change log:

* Neotokyo is now Neomanhattan
* 75% more Twilight actors than original
* Kaneda is now named Akira
* Colonel is called Colonel Snake Johnson and is played by Bruce Willis, is also now the main character
* Tetsuo is obviously the villain, also only Asian actor in the crew
* Psychic orphans are now comedy relief
* More sex scenes
* Kaneda's motorcycle voiced by one of the Wayans brothers
* Subplot added with excruciatingly long look into Tetsuo's abusive childhood and how it led him to a life of evil
* Mutation scene replaced with Neomanhattan being nuked

Mothra · « **Reply #77 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:32:53 AM »

I honestly cannot tell if you're joking, is the worst thing.

I will say, even if the mutation scene is key to the work, I genuinely have zero desire to see that done in a photo-realistic medium. It's quite grotesque enough as it is.

Quote from: Caithness on December 05, 2011, 09:30:29 AM

Quote from: Mothra on December 05, 2011, 09:24:25 AM
it is completely in its own league in terms of detail.

I don't know about that. Have you ever read Nausicaä?

I haven't, at least not yet. Miyazaki's untouchable in his rendering of natural setting, it's true, and of the two, it's really hard to put Otomo over Miyazaki in terms of general design. Otomo really doesn't draw such ancient time-before-time into his work, but I will say that his architecture and urban sprawl has more of a lived-in history, a worn-in utility and reality that makes it utterly spectacular in how unremarkable it all appears. Neither artist's work feels designed, it just expertly is.

I'm surprised it took me until now to really start reading the classics like these, but I guess I'd always assumed they had been improved upon dramatically since. This cannot be farther from the case.

Classic · « **Reply #78 on:** December 05, 2011, 12:31:41 PM »

Quote from: Zaratustra on December 05, 2011, 10:18:32 AM

* Mutation scene replaced with ~~Neo~~manhattan being nuked

If the whole point of Akira is to talk about how fucked up it is to be a post-war Japanese youth, this is maybe something critical to bring that across to whitey.

Zaratustra · « **Reply #79 on:** December 05, 2011, 12:36:07 PM »

Quote from: Mothra on December 05, 2011, 10:32:53 AM

I will say, even if the mutation scene is key to the work, I genuinely have zero desire to see that done in a photo-realistic medium. It's quite grotesque enough as it is.

The mutation scene is stark because it's all carefully drawn frame by frame in bright, fully visible colors. On film, it'll necessarily be much darker and harder to see (does Manhattan even have a stadium?).

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