Topic: EA = Killdozer (Read 7941 times)

A² · « **Reply #80 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:32:21 AM »

Looks like you can't dance where you want to.

TO CLARIFY: Yes, using the /getdown command to interrupt an enemy's attacks and killing it with impunity via this, I'd call that an exploit
But still
"Dancing is not permitted except in designated dance zones" is a fucking hilarious quote.

Defenestration · « **Reply #81 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:46:10 AM »

MMOs are enormous. Bugs *will* make it to release. And it's not that unreasonable to think that no one tried dancing with a boss the exact moment he was casting a spell *and* noticed it was interrupted *and* thought to equate it to dancing.

Place the blame in the right areas. Like not being able to dance in an instance when you're waiting for your healer to stop being AFK.

Shinra · « **Reply #82 on:** January 04, 2012, 04:26:43 AM »

A much more elegant solution than banning people would have been to disable the command in instances until they could bugfix. This is just ridiculous. Exploiting deliberately is horrible behavior but this is an issue of people finding bugs in a game that was being beta tested for about 18 months. At this point EA should be scrambling to fix the bugs as soon as they pop up, not banning people for finding them.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #83 on:** January 04, 2012, 04:33:22 AM »

I wonder how many people Valve banned from TF2 when it was possible to make infinite sentries using the dev. console.

Crouton · « **Reply #84 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:35:02 AM »

I would imagine just as many as they banned for using Civilian Heavy (may he rest in peace).

Quote from: Demosprite on January 04, 2012, 02:32:21 AM

TO CLARIFY: Yes, using the /getdown command to interrupt an enemy's attacks and killing it with impunity via this, I'd call that an exploit
But still
"Dancing is not permitted except in designated dance zones" is a fucking hilarious quote.

I think the party bursting into a synchronized dance SHOULD interrupt/stun enemy NPCs, but only once per encounter.

Mongrel · « **Reply #85 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:14:53 AM »

The only time Valve banned anyone it was over steam exploits, like the guys who made the idling utility.

Even then, all they did for most people involved was take away items.

Then there were the guys who used exploits to get Golden Wrenches, but I can't remember if even they were banned or not. It might've been that they just lost the wrench.

Crouton · « **Reply #86 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:40:55 AM »

At most, I think the one guy that found & leaked the exploit was banned, but I'm pretty sure Valve just took the wrenches away, then folks started destroying them for charity.

Bal · « **Reply #87 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:42:04 AM »

The successful attitude toward exploits is to make it clear not to do it, and then FIX YOUR SHIT and only punish people who continue to use the exploit. In WoW, the second half only applies to raid bosses and even then the exploit has to be kind of a big deal, like you don't even have to fight the boss if you do x, or in rare cases that could totally unbalance the economy or otherwise disrupt the play of a large number of players.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #88 on:** January 04, 2012, 07:12:26 AM »

Quote from: Mongrel on January 04, 2012, 06:14:53 AM

The only time Valve banned anyone it was over steam exploits, like the guys who made the idling utility.

Even then, all they did for most people involved was take away items.

Then there were the guys who used exploits to get Golden Wrenches, but I can't remember if even they were banned or not. It might've been that they just lost the wrench.

The guy who made the idler program, Drunken_F00l, was not banned for it. He was given a community butterfly knife for making the TF2 backpack examiner. He was later banned for using a program to spam crafts during the Golden Wrench drop times. He bought another copy on a separate account.

Ziiro · « **Reply #89 on:** January 04, 2012, 08:26:44 AM »

He also now works for Valve. So. There's that.

Defenestration · « **Reply #90 on:** January 04, 2012, 09:09:17 AM »

Makes sense to me. I would rather hire the guy that figured out how my company worked from the outside and get him working on making it more secure than leaving him out.

Mongrel · « **Reply #91 on:** January 04, 2012, 09:49:27 AM »

Yeah, that's a pretty standard story, epecially for a dude who breaks the system so severely, but for such trival rewards. They're a lot more likely to work out as "inside" dudes then the greedy-nuts ones.

NexAdruin · « **Reply #92 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:19:40 AM »

Quote from: Ziiro on January 04, 2012, 08:26:44 AM

He also now works for Valve. So. There's that.

He was leaked insider community information and then spread it around to his friends so that they could all get limited-availability items. The guy who leaked him the information was supposedly punished for doing so. Now he just works there?

Fuck you, Valve.

A² · « **Reply #93 on:** January 04, 2012, 12:01:22 PM »

Uh, none of them got to keep their Golden Wrenches.

Bal · « **Reply #94 on:** January 04, 2012, 04:37:57 PM »

The guy also created really successful account parsing sites like SourceOP and TF2Items, which thousands of people use to track their stats and set up item trades.

Kayin · « **Reply #95 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:17:36 PM »

Hooray for Fool getting a job for taking advantage of poorly designed systems and contests that didn't really even matter to begin with. Like I said when the Wrench thing happened: Fool was the ONLY person to have earned his wrench.

No seriously, having a guy who can do stuff like that is a good thing. He's exactly the type of guy you'd consider hiring!

NexAdruin · « **Reply #96 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:30:18 PM »

I am aware of the impressive things he's done and I'm aware that his wrench (and everything on that account) was removed. It doesn't change the fact that he cheated the system to get a limited-availability item after someone at Valve played favorites and gave him information to help him do it. To me, this is little different from the people who used 100+ accounts to get holiday gift items, except that in that situation nobody knew the gifts were limited-availability until it was too late, and a Valve employee didn't tell them when to craft their coal together.

Does he deserve a programming job somewhere? Certainly. Should it be somewhere with an active, loyal community whose contests and giveaways he has personally exploited at the expense of others without remorse? No.

Kayin · « **Reply #97 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:46:29 PM »

So? Should he NOT use that information? He's not their employee. It's purely the companies fault. Why the heck did they have fixed, known times for the wrench to drop? If I was in valve's shoes, with that and everything else he's done, I'd consider hiring him right then. He's a guy who clearly knows what he's doing. The only thing disappointing to me is that he would care for something as stupid as a golden wrench.

It's like the card counters and cheats who became security experts for casinos. You want folk who know whats up.

Beat Bandit · « **Reply #98 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:50:10 PM »

and then kayin got hired to make metroid games

Brentai · « **Reply #99 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:50:22 PM »

(Responding directly to Nex because WAP doesn't do new reply warnings.)

That's definitely a way of looking at it. Imo the overall picture seems to paint him as one of those morally unconcerned force-of-nature hackers who act out of curiosity and a drive to open up and disassemble things rather than any sort of real greed or malice. Keeping a short leash and pointing these people in the right direction has historically proven far more beneficial than futilely trying to deter them from whatever they decide they're going to do.

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