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Black March 2012
« on: February 29, 2012, 09:04:32 PM »

it started. For the uninformed ones:

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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 03:25:28 AM »

problem:

the muppets comes out today

good luck with that, nerds.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 04:40:04 AM »

I don't think it'll work, but at least it has a better functionality to it than truly hopelessly ineffective stuff like Buy Nothing Day, which usually translates to "buy stuff before and after day".
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 07:02:17 AM »

How about all the media creators that have never supported SOPA or PIPA? Are those going to be boycotted too?

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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 12:08:09 PM »

How about all the media creators that have never supported SOPA or PIPA? Are those going to be boycotted too?

Woah woah woah woah woah. Don't use a strong word like "boycott" around a Slacktivist, my friend. Rest assured, the Slacktivist cannot be bothered to read any list of such possible media creators that has not already been assembled into a tensely packaged .jpg for their convenience on Reddit.

They also can't be bothered to actually boycott, so I wouldn't worry about those media creators very much.

Hey, you wanna know when a boycott actually ends?

When some actual change occurs. Even if you can't see Dark Knight Rises for years.

Scary!
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 12:13:28 PM »

Man fuck that Mass Effect 3 comes out next week
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 12:37:25 PM »

Woah woah woah woah woah. Don't use a strong word like "boycott" around a Slacktivist, my friend. Rest assured, the Slacktivist cannot be bothered to read any list of such possible media creators that has not already been assembled into a tensely packaged .jpg for their convenience on Reddit.

They also can't be bothered to actually boycott, so I wouldn't worry about those media creators very much.

You're painting with rather a broad fucking brush there.  I'm sure there are plenty of folks screaming "BOYCOT!" who don't actually intend to boycott anything, as per usual.  But I'm sure there are some rather well-meaning people engaging this who actually intend to go through with it, and probably SHOULD be asking themselves the questions Zara is.

Remember the last time someone 'round here whipped out the "lazy slacktivist" shorthand on a SOPA protest?  It turned out he was pretty much dead-nuts wrong.

Not saying that'll happen this time -- we should all be so lucky -- but berating and belittling isn't really a good place to start.

Hey, you wanna know when a boycott actually ends?

When some actual change occurs. Even if you can't see Dark Knight Rises for years.

Scary!

An actual years-long boycott of everything the major media conglomerates own is close to impossible to sustain, and I'm not just saying that as a Batman fan.  A month is fair enough if people want to actually dip their toes into trying.

That said, yeah, it's not a boycott if you still buy things you want.  Or if you refuse to buy things you don't want.  (I'm not boycotting the Ghost Rider movie, because I didn't want to see it in the first damn place.  I AM boycotting The Avengers, because dammit, I would really like to see The Avengers.)  People who actually want to affect some change should be ready to stick it the hell out for the long haul.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 12:49:50 PM »

I wonder how many people would buy something, and then return it for a refund stating that the publishers support SOPA + PIPA as a reason.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 01:03:51 PM »

Ah, you make it so hard for me to mock people who by definition can't be bothered to fight back!

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You're painting with rather a broad fucking brush there.  I'm sure there are plenty of folks screaming "BOYCOT!" who don't actually intend to boycott anything, as per usual.  But I'm sure there are some rather well-meaning people engaging this who actually intend to go through with it, and probably SHOULD be asking themselves the questions Zara is.

I paint with a broad brush but this seems to be what every discussion I see of a concept like "Black March" boils down to, or worse, it devolves into slap-fights over whether or not boycotting a movie will affect the Grip's salary.

So in the interest of not just berating and belittling, what is say, Fullmooninu's Black March plan? What are they giving up and actively avoiding for an entire month, from what studio that supports SOPA, and to what end(i.e. end SOPA? End all future SOPA-likes? End the massive Media Blob's influence in politics? Etc.) In this case a knee-jerk broad brush was probably caused by, again, a nicely worded .jpg to make imaginary activists feel better about themselves, which is the sort of thing to make my eyes roll so hard I pop blood vessels. So more information from our OP would be nice, or is this just a "hey guys, here is an idea with very poor guide-lines?"

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Remember the last time someone 'round here whipped out the "lazy slacktivist" shorthand on a SOPA protest?  It turned out he was pretty much dead-nuts wrong.

Nope, my Bronto reading habits are random and anemic at best, possibility of a link?

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An actual years-long boycott of everything the major media conglomerates own is close to impossible to sustain

Trying not to put words in your mouth here, but would that suggest that we can't stand against the major media conglomerates? There are other ways to do so, sure, but this thread was started by a link that ends with the sentence "We will not tolerate the Media Industries lobbying for legislation to censor the internet." With a "dip their toes" boycott?

It just reads like a poorly done "No Fap Month" weird internet idiot pride thing to me. Can you go an entire month without buying new media to stick it to The Man for imaginary activist credit points? For every person who actually does it, bravo to them, but all I see are a bunch of snide kids already getting ready to pirate Mass Effect 3 to teach "them" a lesson, the lesson being that word of mouth is fantastic advertising. But that's me being bitter and mean to a straw-man I just erected.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 01:31:09 PM »

What I want to buy this month:
8 D&D games for 7 bucks, by Atari
Higurashi Atonement Book 3, by Yen Press
BlazBlue Contiuum Shift EXTEND, by Arc System Works, published by Arksys, used.
Burn Notice, Season 3, by 20th Century Fox
A variety of Games & DLC off Steam from UbiSoft, BlueByte, Related Designs, Firaxis, 2k Games, Brandon Brizzi, LizSoft, and Carpe Fulgur
Probably some shit off the TF2 Mannco store at some point.
And probably Carl Sagan's Cosmos

Now, the question is, has this Black March set up some kind of thing where I can check who supports SOPA/PIPA? Or are they really assuming that I just not buy anything, because some of the people in the same industry support SOPA/PIPA?
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 01:40:44 PM »

Haha wow, this seems to be an Anonymous backed operation and no, I can't find any list. The emphasis seems to be on "ANY" media, presumably for the biggest impact on those first quarter bottom-lines.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 02:06:54 PM »

The "and don't pirate it, either" clause is the most important part, I think, and also the one that people will have the most trouble with.

I intend to participate, more for the purpose of seeing for myself whether I can than because I think it will actually accomplish anything. It will be kind of like giving something up for Lent, which I've never tried before. (When is Lent, anyway? Isn't it also starting sometime around now?)

A month where I spend any money on entertainment is already rare, so for me this will mean:

-No streaming the Daily Show or the Colbert Report on their websites.
-No listening to anything on Spotify.
-No watching Star Trek/Avatar the Last Airbender/anything else on my aunt's Netflix account.
-No downloading my weekly Precure/Kamen Rider/Super Sentai torrents.
-No watching or submitting shows to Outer Heaven. (Sorry to the people who actually enjoy my contributions, if you exist.)

I will not be giving up listening to the radio in my car, and I'll probably continue with my recent dabbling into over-the-air TV.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 02:18:46 PM »

I paint with a broad brush but this seems to be what every discussion I see of a concept like "Black March" boils down to, or worse, it devolves into slap-fights over whether or not boycotting a movie will affect the Grip's salary.

Which is a silly argument because ideally you'll spend that money on independent media and someone else will get it.

So in the interest of not just berating and belittling, what is say, Fullmooninu's Black March plan? What are they giving up and actively avoiding for an entire month, from what studio that supports SOPA, and to what end(i.e. end SOPA? End all future SOPA-likes? End the massive Media Blob's influence in politics? Etc.) In this case a knee-jerk broad brush was probably caused by, again, a nicely worded .jpg to make imaginary activists feel better about themselves, which is the sort of thing to make my eyes roll so hard I pop blood vessels. So more information from our OP would be nice, or is this just a "hey guys, here is an idea with very poor guide-lines?"

Yes, this would be a good thing.  Do feel free to elaborate, fullmooninu.

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Remember the last time someone 'round here whipped out the "lazy slacktivist" shorthand on a SOPA protest?  It turned out he was pretty much dead-nuts wrong.

Nope, my Bronto reading habits are random and anemic at best, possibility of a link?

Blackout wins hearts and minds, drives key supporters of SOPA/PIPA to withdraw support.

Alright, I take back my hastily-said slacktivism comment (as you can guess, I avoid news sites like the fucking plague and didn't actually know how much they'd been covering this - my bad!). This actually did a lot of good. My favorite part is the bill's sponsor basically saying "You win this time, Captain Planet, but I'll be BACK!"

He goes straight for the "I don't pay attention" excuse too, which I must say is an ironic habit for people who gripe about lazy slackers to have.

Trying not to put words in your mouth here, but would that suggest that we can't stand against the major media conglomerates?

Well, that depends what you mean.

"We" stopped SOPA.  Where "we" includes Google and Wikipedia.

As far as an individual actually being able to simultaneously boycott Warner, Disney, Viacom, Comcast, and Newscorp, I don't think that's sustainable short of a Unabomber-style cabin in the woods.

That isn't to say that you can't, say, manage a targeted boycott of Warner movies, music, and games for a month.

There are other ways to do so, sure, but this thread was started by a link that ends with the sentence "We will not tolerate the Media Industries lobbying for legislation to censor the internet." With a "dip their toes" boycott?

Guess it comes down to whether it makes a significant, measurable dent in March sales.

I am guessing that it will not.

Now, the question is, has this Black March set up some kind of thing where I can check who supports SOPA/PIPA? Or are they really assuming that I just not buy anything, because some of the people in the same industry support SOPA/PIPA?
Haha wow, this seems to be an Anonymous backed operation and no, I can't find any list. The emphasis seems to be on "ANY" media, presumably for the biggest impact on those first quarter bottom-lines.

...so how does it feel being shown up by Catloaf?

And those qualifiers are kind of important, too.  Better yet, DO buy music, movies, and games in March.  Buy independent ones that aren't affiliated with the MPAA/RIAA/ESA.  Buy used ones whose sales don't go to the MPAA/RIAA/ESA.  Don't punish the people who aren't part of the problem.

So let's see...
So no (new) games from:
    505 Games
    Atari
    Capcom
    Crave Entertainment
    Deep Silver
    Disney Interactive Studios
    Eidos Interactive
    Electronic Arts
    Epic Games
    Her Interactive
    Ignition Entertainment
    Koei
    Konami
    Microsoft
    MTV Games
    Namco Bandai Games
    Natsume
    Nintendo
    Nival America
    Nvidia
    O-Games
    Playlogic Entertainment
    Sega
    Sony Computer Entertainment
    Sony Online Entertainment
    SouthPeak Interactive
    Square Enix
    Take-Two Interactive
    THQ
    Trion World Network
    Ubisoft
    Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
    Xseed Games

So...  Let's see here.... Only some PC games allowed.

No non-indie music that isn't pre-owned.
And only indie/foreign films.

Various games coming out March:  Kid Icarus, Mass Effect 3, Armored Core V, Street Fighter X Tekken, Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon city, Ninja Gaiden 3

Well, only one of which I'm dead-set on getting, and I think I can wait a few more weeks for Icarus.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 02:25:22 PM »

So that's no Anno 2070 DLC, or the AC:B DLC. Still allows for the Civ5 DLC, Fortune Summoners, and BlazBlue.
Burn Notice is also out, 20th Century fox and all that.

All that leaves is "Cosmos Studios" and Yen Press
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 03:26:01 PM »

Darn it, and I was keen to read this month's Demon Knights, too.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 04:26:51 PM »

I'm not doing this.  I think it's petty and wrong.

The SOPA protests worked because they were tied uneniably to the issue.  Websites blacked out to demonstrate what would happen if the law as written was implemented.  The arguments put forth correctly identified the issue as censorship, not money.  People were careful not to accidentally imply that the consumer has a right to unlicensed intellectual property.

This financial assault though, although fairly devestating if it takes, doesn't exactly tie itself to the effect of any particular action.  All it tells the media companies is "if we believe we have been wronged, we will punish you."  Media here can react to this lesson in a number of ways in the future:

* Take great pains to prevent another similar consumer reaction (the favorable result being that they think hard before attempting something controversial; the more likely result being that they go to much greater lengths to keep such actions out of the news).

* Reduce their financial exposure to the whims of the consumer (i.e. focus business less on producing salable IP, more on enforcing copyright ownership).

* Prevent entities capable of stirring up mass anti-Media sentiment from doing so (take various aggressive actions against Google, Wikipedia, social sites seen as sympathetic to Big Media detractors, etc).

Finally, the last thing you want to do is to create a situation where the enemy gets to claim victimhood.  They're already taking the the approach of crying to the teacher that Google beat them up just because they were trying to feed their families.  Giving them an actual black eye to show off while they sniffle and moan isn't really going to help.

Black March isn't a protest, it's just a frustrated act of retaliation.  I completely understand where it's coming from, but when the fate of free speech itself is at stake, I'm not going to jeapordize it by throwing away the high ground just to prove I can still do some minor damage to a corporate Goliath.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 04:36:09 PM »

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He goes straight for the "I don't pay attention" excuse too, which I must say is an ironic habit for people who gripe about lazy slackers to have.

Point taken, though I don't pay attention... to the Brontoforums. And then I asked you to educate me anyway, as I'm interested in and respect your point but honestly don't know where it came from.

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...so how does it feel being shown up by Catloaf?

Pretty neutral, as a Google check didn't reveal this list on the first page and as mentioned prior, Doom's reading of the forums is spotty at best. And it's in a thread titled after subject matter I don't care to read while also being at a glance unrelated to the current topic(Copyright thread.) It's not listed in the news articles announcing the intention of Black March or the "official" websites, in as much as a website is official for having the name and web address and being on the front page of Google.

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As far as an individual actually being able to simultaneously boycott Warner, Disney, Viacom, Comcast, and Newscorp, I don't think that's sustainable short of a Unabomber-style cabin in the woods.

That isn't to say that you can't, say, manage a targeted boycott of Warner movies, music, and games for a month.

I'd like to see something small yet attainable with a very obvious goal, such as a boycott of Mass Effect 3 against Day One DLC(well, as much as the ones we can prove are hack-jobs done during development.) The all or nothing is a bit much as you get to the point where a person has literally no new stimuli, as you note.

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Well, that depends what you mean.

"We" stopped SOPA.  Where "we" includes Google and Wikipedia.

Ah yeah I'll just throw out what I think the big difference is between the stopping of SOPA and Internet Blackout Day and Fullmoon vomiting up a "be cool join the revo" jpg now.

Stop SOPA had a lot of great honest to god activism, like huge fanbases of things spreading the word so that their respective sites they are fanbases to would go down and such, including appealing to big-name players like Google. This leads to what makes me roll my eyes, people patting themselves on the back for not looking at cat pictures for an entire day, and things that are very effective like constituents mass-contacting their local politicians and shit and hounding those that support the bills. So something like Black March, which is more general and smacks of the Slacktivism air, seems iffy to me. You bring up that really great list by Catloaf, sure, but why isn't that on Black March . com? Is this the same strong, effective boycott, or a hanger-on effort by people who want to look cool with minimal effort?

I think a problem with the current generation, give or take 1(basically, the 2-3 of us growing up with the internet so directly, including those born after a time when we didn't have the internet) is that we live a very isolated and hedonistic sort of life where real sacrifice is very hard to experience unless you're absolutely dirt poor. I'd rather see people send a real, concrete message over a great period of time then see if Warner Bros notices a one month hiccup of a bunch of people not buying things in March(that they then buy in April.) I admire OWS while I roll my eyes at people who dip their toes about not going to the movies anymore.

Edit: Christ then Brentai just says it ten times better than I could. Black March is protest without a focus, Internet Blackout Day was a laser-guided effort with a lot more going on behind the scenes.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2012, 05:35:02 PM »

Good thing I ordered the manga I wanted yesterday. That fixes EVERYTHING!
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 05:37:54 PM »

You're all still getting me things for my birthday, right?
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2012, 05:43:19 PM »

Boycott Ryg's birthday.
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