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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2012, 12:39:53 PM »

Wait.. what are you all talking about.. i don't even understand the basis...

No, never mind that:
Like I'm going to agree that some foreign dudes decide what memes get to live and die around the world in the age of information.

Because of some business model!?

That's quite the joke. I'd rather record $2000 Adobe Suite copies and send them to jungle people to use as mirrors.

And guess what! I've been there. They had a PS3. I wish i could have pirated their fruits tho. They were delicious. I couldn't.

But i did boycott apples. When everyone was all happy 'cause apples had arrived, they were all tasting that stuff like it was something exotic and rare. Not me, no. I boycotted that shit. "Fuck apples" i said. I never liked apples anyway. I want to give this tropical fruit a chance to bore me. And so i did. But it never did. I wish i could have copied that tropical fruit. It was delicious. That reminds me. I did download a lot of shit there. From megaupload. Took me all night to get 10megs. No megaupload anymore. Ah, bah, i couldnt ever find any apples there anyway. It surely had no tropical fruit. Who cares about megaupload. Wait... you're still reading? Dude... why? Go eat some sweet sweet apples, there are plenty of them. I love apples.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2012, 01:00:17 PM »

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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2012, 01:47:13 PM »

Never mind the apples; I want some of that toad he's licking.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2012, 04:17:57 PM »

ITT: Fullmoon posted something to look cool, people tried to talk to him about it and his posts degraded into pure retardation to avoid admitting he hadn't looked pasted the image at what Black March was.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2012, 07:02:12 PM »

So can I go see Arietty tomorrow or should I go outside for once? TELL ME, INTERNET

(actually the weather suddenly got nice for a bit so I'll probably go ride my bike instead of sitting in the dark anyway)
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2012, 07:28:59 AM »

This forum is like a nice-looking coral reef in the middle of the internet ocean.

I just settled down here and made a few threads that reflected a current interesting discovery (which have little chance of local parallel discovery).

I answered back cause of that "ball is in your court, inu" observation that Mr. Thad made.

But in the end, my character perks don't include patience for this shnit.

If i'm wrong in thinking i'm right about something (relevantly, this), i just hope that i'll learn better soon enough. I don't know enough to claim absolute certainty, but being able to find a flaw in every available stance to take in a given situation is no reason to claim that the current stance is the best one. And yeah, Voltaire said that, not me.

Cya next thread, space cowboys.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2012, 08:37:06 AM »

Welp, looks like I was only able to forego Outer Heaven for one week. And after seeing how the discussion in this thread has gone, I'm wondering how hard I should try to keep the rest of my resolutions.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2012, 09:19:35 AM »

DO Black March: if you believe in the core concepts and unity and all that.

DO NOT Black March: if you think it will make any real difference.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2012, 10:29:59 AM »

But in the end, my character perks don't include patience for this shnit.

Where "this shnit" means a few people asking you questions.

Welp, let me know how boycotting all media for an entire month goes for you.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2012, 06:46:26 AM »

This quote is originally about the spontaneous appearance of the "Stop Kony" movement, but I think it fits Black March and my concern about "slacktivists" perfectly. Reposting it from a SA post by another user(so you know, not me.)

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A group of people who are very passionate about one very specific issue in a very distant part of the world have used the manipulative magic of media to draw attention to their issue.

That issue itself provokes immediate moral outrage, but any serious attempt to address the issues runs you almost immediately into the same miserable and disgusting human quagmire that afflicts every corner of this festering planet. The only available suggestion for a solution, the only solution left these days, is "send money". There is no reason to trust that sending money in this situation will do any good whatsoever.

At the same time, and entirely coincidentally, there is a huge population of highly interconnected chatty westerners who have over the past few months convinced themselves that they, collectively, have the ability to foster real and significant change. Collectively, they have no particular hobby horses to guide them to particular causes; indeed, much liquid crystal has been displayed concerning the lack of "focus" or "structure" of that collective to foment a stable social role. Nevertheless, the collective recognizes the power it has to affect change-- real, significant, global, humanitarian change-- and so they are, collectively, hungry for opportunities to exercise that power. They want a cause to rally around.

In this case, and again entirely coincidentally, the media manipulation was successful and the meme spread replicated enough so that we are discussing the issue here. There is no particular reason why this particular video was successful, compared to any of the dozens of other videos describing situations of equal or greater moral significance. It just happened to be in the right place at the right time, disconnected enough from every other discussion that its novelty could spark a flourishing discussion virtually ex nihilo. In other words, we can't assume from the mere fact that this meme spread that the issue warrants the immediate attention of the collective over other issues that they might be neglecting.

For better or worse, though, the collective attention has shifted to this cause. Those of us who realize what is going on and are smart enough to do something about it are taking this opportunity to educate people, because it is quite obvious that this meme has spread this fast because most people are entirely ignorant about both this situation and the larger political and social context in which it is occurring. In other words, the right response to this situation is precisely to educate yourself and others about the issue in order to think clearly about its implications and significance, and what solutions if any are available.

But the bigger question is what this means for the collective. How might they be manipulated next, and who will be clever or lucky enough to profit off their combined gaze? What minor issue will they happen to thrust into the spotlight next, and how best should we prepare for the fallout? More importantly, how can we harness and control that collective power to give it some structure and focus, and to make sure the effort of their combined labor and attention actually yield good fruit?
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2012, 06:59:22 AM »

I was also reminded of Black March while watching the Kony video. But I've heard about Kony 2012 everywhere, and I've only heard about Black March in two threads on this forum.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2012, 07:02:29 AM »

Said it before, will say it again. The internet is becoming a real mob-mentality place. Mob Justice, digital lynch mobs, a seething wave of uncontrolled humanity trapped in it's own feedback loop.

Of course, the outcomes aren't always negative, as we've seen. But I don't know that actively trying "direct it for good" will actually yeild any reward. At least not in the way such people are thinking.

At the risk of repeating myself, I think the ground is becoming more fertile every day for good old fashioned demagogues. For now, loonies like Ron Paul can manage 15% or 20% on a good day, but as more "old pre-internets fogeys" die off and new kids join the ranks of the permanently-wired up (in both senses of "wired") who knows what kind of characters we'll get trying to offer "direction".

Is this actually retrograde? Who knows...
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2012, 08:26:30 AM »

It certainly is not meeeeeee
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2012, 02:00:19 PM »

At the risk of repeating myself, I think the ground is becoming more fertile every day for good old fashioned demagogues. For now, loonies like Ron Paul can manage 15% or 20% on a good day, but as more "old pre-internets fogeys" die off and new kids join the ranks of the permanently-wired up (in both senses of "wired") who knows what kind of characters we'll get trying to offer "direction".

I quit reading DMZ awhile back, but about the point I stopped was when NYC elected a new mayor.  And he was a total demagogue; Wood compared him to Hugo Chavez.  Matty Roth (our "hero", a journalist embedded in the DMZ, who by this point has kind of turned into an unlikable asshole) is totally seduced by the guy's charisma and helps get him elected, and only starts to realize what kind of bastard he is -- and how much damage he can potentially do -- after he's in office.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2012, 03:43:17 PM »

Did you stop reading because the story quality went into the crapper or because the character became an unlikable asshole?

Anyway, yeah, those educated-but-stupid Ron Paul supporters are something I think we'll see a lot more of. Too many idiots whose lives are wholly grounded in the warped earth of the internet.

I see shit like the Kony protest or the hounding of Vancouver hockey rioters or insurance scammers in Toronto and that honestly scares the fuck out of me. You see mistaken identities, you see people's addresses and phone numbers posted, you see their friends and relatives information posted, you see a crude understanding or not understanding at all of the events by it's participants (like the the virtually nil knowledge of Uganda by many of the people buying into the Kony protest), you see random people with no discernible connection to these people show up at odd hours of the night and threaten the targets, trash their houses, or randomly assault their relatives. You see people throw torrents of money in mere days at extremely questionable causes with ill-defined goals and no oversight whatsoever. Like a frantic game of broken telephone only at some point guys with bats with nails in them show up. This really is true mob-justice type stuff.

Obama's election campaign carried an early ghost of it, and it didn't seem sinister because at the time people still had high hopes, but in retrospect you wonder where things will go from here. In more countries than not, people are hungry for someone who will "do something about this mess" (with endless different opinions on just what the "mess" is) and getting hungrier by the day.

I don't know that it'll be a conventional leftist or rightist type (In fact this seems less likely), but they will rely on the extremely ancient technique of telling people exactly what they want to hear.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2012, 04:15:10 PM »

Postscript by way of a new post:

I mentioned the old right-wing vs. left-wing arguments, well, in a more neutral aside, I also think there's a big idea hole we're overdue to fill.

In the mid-19th century, you saw the thinkers and writers appear whose thought had been shaped by the then-well-established industrial revolution. They had significant impact on world history and politics from a few years before the mostly failed revolutions of 1848 to the mid-to-late 20th century. We've been riding those ideas long enough now that they're pretty well-worn, and the digital revolution has been underway for a few decades now, so I think we're well overdue for some new "-isms". What I don't really know is what shape they might take or from what quarters them might come.

The one vague idea I had myself is an ideology that combines leftist and rightist thought under an umbrella that focuses on maximizing returns across society.

See, societies that have prospered have always seemed to me to maximize the potential of their members. They had low unemployment and high levels of engagement, they were cosmopolitan (or, relatively so for their epoch and location) which minimized "real dollar" losses caused by cultural failings, had comparatively good levels of education and cultural literacy (again, relative to the epoch and location), and so on. Failed societies seemed to perpetually be in internal crisis, have high levels of waste and corruption, severely limiting (or even fatal) cultural failings (for instance the original Greenland settlers had a taboo against fish), and large numbers of idle members who invariably wrecked shit on a regular basis. 

I can see such an ideology being pushed based on the new and growing tools of customization and personalization in order to best use the talents and abilities of each person. It would of necessity be heavily dependent on and intertwined with cheap, abundant, and extremely robust computing power.

Most of the world has probably plucked the low-hanging human fruit. People with minor disabilities can (for the most part) obtain, glasses, medical care, certain medications, etc. which allow them to more-or-less effectively function as a person without disability. Mass public education has probably been pushed about as far as it can go in raising broad educational standards (leaving aside more local issues like the "broken" public education system in the US, overall the effect has been mass higher education).

The step that comes next would be to try and reclaim the more marginal cases - that means mental and economic supports for the mentally ill or borderline cases who would normally fall between society's cracks or place a heavy burden on their friends and family. It also means trying to better fit people for careers and public living. The increased costs would be borne by a reduction of the deadweight burden on society of people who are effectively non-functional but still members (like a homeless dude who runs up an entirely preventable $200,000 hospital bill which is then borne by the state, or the hard-to-quantify drag caused by broken homes and failed lives), or better returns at companies by workers who actually give a damn (or who are at least in a position or field that matches their talents). It means much more customization in education and much better analysis of a person's strengths and weaknesses in childhood.

Beyond the individual, such an ideology would also seek better, more effective, and more scientific long-term planning, in order to maximize returns to society, individuals, and businesses for each dollar spent. It means more integrated planning, such as better city design to improve physical heath (this is being tried of course, but only in a very faint and piecemeal way).

I think, like socialism or capitalism, it has a strong attractive element that people can believe in, while combining elements from both the left and right. I think it also has the capacity for abuse (as befits any great ideology), though I'm less sure of the exact pitfalls it might have (certainly, it has a huge impact on privacy).

This is not something I'm personally pushing and I can't even say I really believe in it, but I was really struggling to catch a dim vision of what genuinely fresh ideas people might try to bring forward in the next decade or two and it seems like this is one of the more obvious ones waiting for a charismatic champion to ride it to fame.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2012, 08:26:55 AM »

I just sounds like timecube guy or guild, don't I? Just right outta my fuckin' tree.

I must be turning into one of those dudes who mumbles crazy-ass shit to themselves in public. 
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2012, 10:23:13 PM »

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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2012, 04:38:54 AM »

I don't get it.

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That's kind of neat though... my registration date was exactly a week before my wedding. Can't remember when I signed up for Pyoko though.
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Re: Black March 2012
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2012, 11:09:05 AM »

i want to reiterate that some fatbeard somewhere decided to try to organize a worldwide consumer boycott of media in retaliation against major copyright holders prosecuting major file-sharing sites roughly a week or two after congress passed a law that more or less made it a felony to protest

WHEN THEY CAME FOR REDDIT I SAID NOTHING BECAUSE SERIOUSLY FUCK WHITE MANCHILDREN
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