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Author Topic: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign  (Read 50634 times)

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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #180 on: March 19, 2012, 05:06:47 PM »

Leaving Tefari alive wouldn't have necessarily meant that he would have become a bad right away. It would however complicate things greatly near the end, where he could very easily be a bad, and it would be more advantageous to find the live active bad. Unless of course, they never turned him to begin with.

It would have been way too big of a liability later in the game.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #181 on: March 19, 2012, 05:20:08 PM »

Caithness suggested an equivalence between voting for a dropout and voting for no lynch, and he wasn't far wrong. Voting for no-lynch is a trap. It's all well and good to not want anybody to die, but the omelet of werewolf victory was never made without breaking a few heads. We know this. It's the domain of scoundrels and fools. Caithness and Classic thought it was acceptable.

I didn't think it was acceptable. I thought it was worth discussing. If I had thought it was acceptable, I would have voted for Tefari.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #182 on: March 19, 2012, 05:28:07 PM »

Also: it doesn't matter if Tefari was modlynched or whatever, suggesting that he get lynched on Day 1 at all was dumb and would only serve to inconvenience the rest of the innocents. I look back on that day and I regret saying nothing.

And now they're coming for me, and who will speak for me? Certainly none of you nazi vampires. I am up shit holocaust without a Diary.

I don't think you're you're "up shit holocaust". I think people are questioning you because of how stubborn and obtuse you are being about lynching Caithness. Now, I can see how you would think Caithness might be fishy for wanting to kill Tefari. I would also disagree with you.

Let's look at your series of posts.

and if you think that incredibly flimsy indictment of Caithness counts as getting shit done you've got a more generous definition of shit-do-getting than I.

The dude had us drop someone who left the game because they accidentally confirmed their innocence. We lynched a damn confirmed innocent. Then the day ended and we lost another innocent.

Even if you think I'm tripping mad nightscum suspicion alarms, Caithness had an innocent murdered. That man is no man, that man is a monster.

"the dude had us drop someone who left the game"

First, he didn't make us (I'm assuming you mean the town) do anything. He threw out the suggestion to lynch Tefari. Second, we didn't even kill him. He was modkilled.

"Then the day ended and we lost another innocent."

Someone would have been killed regardless of whether Caithness is a townie or not. I don't see how this is proof of anything.

"Even if you think I'm tripping mad nightscum suspicion alarms, Caithness had an innocent murdered. That man is no man, that man is a monster."

Once again, he didn't kill Tefari. Second, he already explained his reasoning for killing Tefari, which you acknowledged, but never addressed:

The only role I had in Tefari's quitting was bringing to his attention the fact that the game had started. He may have quit even if someone else, or nobody, had mentioned it to him.

I... wasn't talking about getting Tef to quit. I was talking about this:

What if we lynch Tefari instead, since he wants to quit anyway?

And this:

If he's quitting anyway, it's functionally the same as a no-lynch.

I might not necessarily agree with Caithness' assessment about lynching Tefari, but you just skirt around his rationale entirely.

I'm going to agree with Bleck that Disposable Ninja is grilling Caithness far too hard over this.

Look, Brah, all I know is that a dude who was playing quit because he thought he screwed up by accidentally revealing his role... as an innocent. Caithness suggested the dude be lynched, the dude got lynched

Once again, modkilled. Also, you failed to acknowledge his reasoning behind Caithness' suggestion.


and now we're down two innocents.

That's some questionable circumstances. Sorry if my grilling is too big for ya'll.

Once again, neither of those deaths are directly related to Caithness. Despite Caithness' suggestion to lynch Tefari, he didn't actually have anything to do with Tefari's death. Unless you have some secret proof that shows how Caithness killed Zaratustra, he wasn't demonstrably related to his death either. Your questionable circumstances are actually that questionable!

If he wasn't lynched then why did the day end, why did night roll on in, and why is zara a murdered guy, now?

Now, this is your most brazen display of obtuseness yet. You have access to the exact same information as any other vanilla innocent, but you continue to feign ignorance about the circumstances to why the day ended. Night came because the day was over, and Zara was obviously killed because that's what the vamps/wolves do at night time.

Now, most of this post is me repeating myself and what others have already said about ten times, and was a very roundabout way to get to this point:

Also: it doesn't matter if Tefari was modlynched or whatever, suggesting that he get lynched on Day 1 at all was dumb and would only serve to inconvenience the rest of the innocents. I look back on that day and I regret saying nothing.

Here you are finally acknowledging you reasoning for killing Caithness. If you disagree with his reasoning on why it was a bad idea to lynch Tefari, then that's okay. However, you wasted so much time arguing about the circumstances of Tefari's death that people are getting fed up.

If you say, "suggesting that he get lynched on Day 1 at all was dumb and would only serve to inconvenience the rest of the innocents.", then that's a good thing, since we can debate this.

However, saying obviously wrong statements like

If he wasn't lynched then why did the day end, why did night roll on in, and why is zara a murdered guy, now?

multiple times will just annoy other people. If you focus on the meat of the issue (Caithness' suggestion to lynch Tefari), then people can debate and unravel the truth of the situation. The more you try to spin the situation to kill Caithness, the more people will become suspicious of you, as you can now see.

(Anyways, this might seem like a really long defense of Caithness, but in reality I have no clue whether Caithness is innocent or not. I was just getting fed up with you claiming to see some sort of evil in Caithness based on what is a relatively flimsy pretense.)

TLDR; When you're wrong and people correct you, don't keep repeat the wrong statement over and over again.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Leaving Tefari alive wouldn't have necessarily meant that he would have become a bad right away. It would however complicate things greatly near the end, where he could very easily be a bad, and it would be more advantageous to find the live active bad. Unless of course, they never turned him to begin with.

It would have been way too big of a liability later in the game.

See, here's something on the topic already!

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Caithness suggested an equivalence between voting for a dropout and voting for no lynch, and he wasn't far wrong. Voting for no-lynch is a trap. It's all well and good to not want anybody to die, but the omelet of werewolf victory was never made without breaking a few heads. We know this. It's the domain of scoundrels and fools. Caithness and Classic thought it was acceptable.

I didn't think it was acceptable. I thought it was worth discussing. If I had thought it was acceptable, I would have voted for Tefari.

I agree that it was worth discussing! I am also for a no lynch on day one, but I'm not sure that voting for Tefari would be functionally equivalent to a no lynch. I actually have more to add, but this long post is sort of muddling my head right now so I'll post later. ALSO I use my hammer time since day 2 is ending in about an hour.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #183 on: March 19, 2012, 06:22:45 PM »

Oh snap, was it? Well, I'm changing my vote to Envy so that he'll have more votes than me.

Also:

I don't think you're you're "up shit holocaust".

I know, I just wanted to godwin-up my position a little. For humor.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #184 on: March 19, 2012, 06:32:27 PM »

When people die, their roles are revealed. The two people killed so far were confirmed to have been innocent.
I'm aware of this, i meant people kept acting like the mod-killed tefari was "confirmed innocent" before he was mod killed. 

I honestly think that any mention of Tefari in the voting should be completely null, because his death was not by us humans, his death was from GOD. 

I however stick by my Kayma lynch. He's on the offensive and is doing quite a good job of hiding it.  who are you under that mask?    A WEREWOLF, THATS WHO!  (or maybe a vampire IDK?)

Also Smiler is seriously calculating something, I don't trust him either.   
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #185 on: March 19, 2012, 06:43:43 PM »

Damn right I'm on the offensive. That post is ridiculous. I can't wait until Romo turns up all wolf, and the laughs we'll have.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #186 on: March 19, 2012, 06:46:15 PM »

I still have no fucking idea what--

Oh Kayma is accusing me of something

Since I am basically retarded until the playing field narrows down I'm going to go with Disposable Ninja here. It's that or Envy and killing Envy on Day 1 is like kicking a puppy.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #187 on: March 19, 2012, 07:08:09 PM »

This game was so much more interesting for me when I had no life and could just comb through every word of every post and take notes just to blow time. I honestly didn't even notice the day almost ended without a real lynch. Hell, without me even voting!

In any case, a couple people stand out to me. Disposable Ninja is being all wacky and ridiculous, but I'm not sure if that is wolfiness or just ridiculousness. I never know wtf envy is because he always seems to get himself lynched for being an obvious wolf, whether or not he is, in fact, a wolf. I have a gut feeling syl might be a wolf, but I don't really know why I think that. Just intuition I guess. Since we have a time extension, I am going to hold back on voting for the moment.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #188 on: March 19, 2012, 07:41:59 PM »

I still have no fucking idea what--

Oh Kayma is accusing me of something

Since I am basically retarded until the playing field narrows down I'm going to go with Disposable Ninja here. It's that or Envy and killing Envy on Day 1 is like kicking a puppy.
Puppies grow into wolves. I'm an advocate of proactive action :V
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #189 on: March 19, 2012, 08:11:36 PM »

When people die, their roles are revealed. The two people killed so far were confirmed to have been innocent.
I'm aware of this, i meant people kept acting like the mod-killed tefari was "confirmed innocent" before he was mod killed. 

The reason he dropped out was because he accidentally (but rather credibly) revealed that he had not receive a role PM.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #190 on: March 19, 2012, 08:14:12 PM »

Yeah, dude was innocent as hell.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2012, 08:53:09 PM »

I feel like i've missed so very much that happened on day one.  Sorry guys, i'll catch up. 
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #192 on: March 20, 2012, 03:20:59 AM »

Wow, I work for one day, one stinkin day and the game gets reaaaaaaaally active all at once.

That's a good thing, though!  I like that.

I dislike DNi's attitude because it does seem like he's "playing dumb" but I also dislike Friend's post for spinning it to look that way.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #193 on: March 20, 2012, 03:46:32 AM »

Who the hell is Envy?
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #194 on: March 20, 2012, 09:47:15 AM »

Changing my vote again. Once more, I am going to even the bandwagons by voting DisposableNinja.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #195 on: March 20, 2012, 10:26:48 AM »

Ziiro, I might be stupid, but what exactly is your logic behind evening up the votes? What does it accomplish?
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #196 on: March 20, 2012, 10:33:19 AM »

When you realize I'm sure it will blow your mind.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #197 on: March 20, 2012, 11:25:01 AM »

If we make a habit of keeping the votes evened up, that's going to very, very quickly become something that the bad teams can use to their advantage.  I cannot condone predictable voting patterns that can be used against the town, Ziiro.

Although I'm actually just voting for you because IT'S A SECRET is basically the dumbest response you could make to a question.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #198 on: March 20, 2012, 11:48:52 AM »

In addition to what Niku said, evening up the votes says that Ziiro doesn't want to be seen as responsible for sending anyone to their death, which is exactly the kind of squeamishness that we don't need.

Who the hell is Envy?

Envy is the guy who is totally spooked that there are four votes on him right now, which I see as a good reason not to change my vote.
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Re: Vampires vs Werewolves IX: 1000 Year Reign
« Reply #199 on: March 20, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »

Changing my vote again. Once more, I am going to even the bandwagons by voting DisposableNinja.

Except you didn't even it out, you're the fifth person to vote for me, not the fourth. Romosome forgot to add his vote to the poll at the top of the screen.
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