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[Disposable Ninja]

So yeah let's have a thread about the Avengers movie universe: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and of course The Avengers. Speaking of which, I saw The Avengers yesterday. It was fun. Like, textbook definition fun. You open a dictionary up and where it says "Fun" there's a picture of Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. high fiving.

For now, a few thoughts:

-I hear Downey did a lot of improvising. I wonder how much of a nerd he actually is because at one point he references Life Model Decoys.

-The Hulk was awesome. Ruffulo was awesome.

-Joss Whedon's foot fetish is alive and well. Gwyneth Paltrow's one speaking scene is spent entirely barefoot.

-[spoiler]Thanos' outer space god dimension is totally Jack Kirby. Just look at it.[/spoiler]

EDIT: alright, inconsequential spoiler redacted.

DOUBLE EDIT: further edited so now it's a HUGE FUCKING SPOILER.

[Niku]

let's talk about spoilers for a second

SPOILERS: YES IT'S A SPOILER NO MATTER WHEN IT HAPPENS YOU MONUMENTAL FUCKWIT (this monumental fuckwit being more of a theoretical one than actually being you, disposable ninja)

I mean, I am not upset about this!  I have seen the movie, and that is inconsequential information overall, and probably if we're going to have a thread it should be spoileriffic anyhow but it has just been ticking me off across the internet in general lately with people thinking they get to decide what is and isn't a spoiler for other people.

anyway avengers is cool

[Bal]

Ed Norton Hulk is canon too, he just couldn't reprise the role.

[Niku]

I kinda want to watch Incredible Hulk again.  People seem to rag on it almost as much as Ang Lee Hulk but I remember it being fun fluff.

[Bal]

It was perfectly fine.

[Misha]

i just rewatched it yesterday because people in IRC were talking about it. I'd say it hasn't stood up very well to rewatching, but it was ok.

[Lottel]

Captain America didn't stand up to a rewatch but the first time I thought it was fantastic. I've popped Incredible Hulk in a few times but always turn it off towards the middle.

[Kayma]

I watched Captain America last night for the first time, after having seen The Avangers. I didn't love it, but I'd like to see more post-frozen Cap movies.

I liked the Norton Hulk movie for its Banner, but not its Hulk, if that makes sense. Haven't seen it in awhile, though.

[Friday]

So the Avengers was pretty good

I have this like, scale? I dunno

Movies/books/etc can't just have one meter when people ask "ok scale from 1-10" there needs to be at least two. You can break it down to more than two meters but I'm trying to be as simple as possible

The first meter is "fun/entertainment" and this is def a 10 in that regard.

The second meter is harder to define but I guess you could say it's "learning/thought provoking/realism". Movies like Unforgiven, No Country for Old Men, etc rate high on this meter.

Now there are some things (they are really, really fucking rare) that rate highly on both. I'm not saying No Country isn't an entertaining movie, but it's certainly not exactly "fun" at least not compared to something like Pirates of the Caribbean or Avengers or whatever.

I'd say Lord of the Rings and The Dark Knight are examples of those rare media that get scores of 8+ in both meters. Of course ymmv, and people love/hate very different things.

BUT IF ANY OF THIS IS MAKING SENSE TO YOU, THEN I RATE AVENGERS:

"Fun" Meter: 10. It doesn't get better than this. Rapid fire Whedon Ensemble dialog banter + HULK SMASH + THOR LIGHTNING + IRON MAN SHOOTING A LOT OF MISSILES

The "Other" Meter: 2. We don't exactly explore what it means to be human here. We get a little bit of OLD MAN STANDS UP TO LOKI and that's pretty much it before WHAM BANG FHOOSH KABLOOEY swoops back in.

anyway don't let the 2 rating dissuade you

any movie that rates above 8 in either meter is totally worth seeing is sort of what I'm getting at

[Brentai]

It's a pretty good superhero movie but I think people are overselling it a bit.  I'd stick it right below Iron Man 1 basically.  Which is still pretty high up there!

Hulk pretty much dominates the show any time he's around.  I really like this version of Bruce too - I don't know what he was like in ALH but this one, well, let's just say he has a much more realistic attitude about the whole situation in this one than the usual weepy Lonely Man Banner.

I also like how Cap is, at any time before or after the meds, just so hilariously lacking in self-awareness that it almost constitutes a superpower in itself.  (Insert joke about Cap representing America.) 

[spoiler]Also, the ultimate irony is that Cap's real superpower is the natural ability to get people to fucking pay attention and listen to him, while Stark can't even manage to do that with a giant penis in the middle of New York with his name on it.[/spoiler]

There's a lot going on to think about if you want to, but you have to kind of overanalyze things to get into it.  It certainly isn't big black guy tossing the detonator off the boat material, but it's not quite as stupid as all the explosions and shouting Norsemen would have you believe at first.

[James Edward Smith]

On a less good note, the Avengers cartoon they have made was hastily made and pretty much blows. *Shrug* but who cares, the movies are neat.

[Mongrel]

I keep reading this thread title as "THE ANGERVERSE!!!"

[Brentai]

Not too far off really.

[Niku]

QUICK WHO DO YOU WANT MOST IN AVENGERS 2

WAIT, BEFORE YOU ANSWER: VISION, SCARLET WITCH, AND QUICKSILVER ARE ALL DUMB CHARACTERS

i want wasp because she is totally stylin'

[Bongo Bill]

Forbush Man.

[Misha]

Machine Man.

[Büge]

Gilgamesh, the Forgotten One.

[Niku]

i will never get over how appropriate that name is

[Disposable Ninja]

She-Hulk. I want She-Hulk.

In my pants.

[Brentai]

The Great Lakes Avengers